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Re: A caution

From:

John Kinsella <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:43:13 -0500

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that particular comment has nothing to do with community. it is not looking to
promote it. it is rhetorical in nature, and i'm afraid i stand by the
generalisation. sadly. it wasn't aimed personally...

best,
jk

Joanne Burns wrote:

> john..... how do the following statements  from your article 'promote'
> community......
>
> 'Australian poets don't need an industry, they need to recognise that
> difference is desirable. I often wonder what poets read when they get home
> at night; there is so much animosity between poets here that I doubt they
> even glance at the work of other Australian writers.'
>
> i found the presumptions here rather offensive and disappointing......
>
> joanne burns
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Kinsella <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: A caution
>
> > the article 'recognises' divisions - and i'm afraid they are there. but it
> > 'promotes' community. not all poets like the idea of community, or at
> least
> > those that don't fit their agendas. it is always time for different ways
> of
> > talking. newspapers don't seem to work in that way though. email lists
> can, and
> > often do - this is part of the same conversation, just different in its
> > spatiality. so. maybe newspapers can 'connect' through this and become
> something
> > else in the process.
> >
> > the article can't spark a 'war' if there's no one to fight the
> battles...but
> > there are lines of thought that occasionally clash. it is not asking for
> > conflict - quite the opposite. however, in the world of prize culture
> things
> > polarise pretty quickly. which is unfortunate.
> >
> > what i am arguing subtextually, is that much dialogue in australian poetry
> is
> > the slave of an incipient (and overt) nationalism and parochialism (as
> opposed
> > to 'regionalism').. this i find worrying.
> >
> > best,
> > jk
> >
> >
> >
> > Debbie Comerford wrote:
> >
> > > This is what I don't understand John - you don't believe in wars but
> your
> > > article has the potential to spark a poetry war by claiming that there
> is
> > > one.  Do you not think that naming something that doesn't exist has the
> > > power to create it?  By naming a new school your article produces
> boundaries
> > > and walls of exclusion which do not lead to dialogue.  Knowing your
> politics
> > > and poetics I don't think you intended to territorialise Australian
> poets,
> > > yet this is how the article reads.
> > >
> > > Isn't it time for different ways of talking about the communities of
> poets
> > > forming - the gossamer line of flight?
> > >
> > > regards
> > > deb
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Kinsella <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:55 AM
> > > Subject: Re: A caution
> > >
> > > > nor i - in wars - on any level. passion of beliefs is something i
> > > understand.
> > > > respect your speaking!! that's what it's all about. dialogue,
> community
> > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > best,
> > > > jk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jill Jones wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > on 6/2/01 12:35 PM, John Kinsella at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > not one person from outside oz who has contacted me after reading
> it
> > > has read
> > > > > > the article that way. you seem to be intentionally misreading. i
> just
> > > don't
> > > > > > say
> > > > > > that, jill - vif you look at the piece as a whole. it is clear
> that i
> > > have
> > > > > > focussed on something that interests me etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but no, not at all 'intentionally' - just concerned,
> genuinely
> > > > > concerned, about an impression that appears to have been created by
> > > context
> > > > > etc etc. Unfortunately, impressions matter for all the obvious
> > > problematic
> > > > > reasons. If I've hammered it a bit it was only because of that. I
> guess
> > > a
> > > > > bit of passion is very uncool. So I'll leave it to others now - if
> they
> > > care
> > > > > to. We shall have to agree to disagree. I'm not interested in a war
> or
> > > even
> > > > > a scrap. I shall leave the field now to write and read, that's what
> > > really
> > > > > interests me - the day is slipping away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > > _________________________________
> > > > > Jill Jones
> > > > > 50 Ruby Street
> > > > > Marrickville NSW 2204
> > > > > AUSTRALIA
> > > > >
> > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~jpjones
> > > >

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