john..... how do the following statements from your article 'promote'
community......
'Australian poets don't need an industry, they need to recognise that
difference is desirable. I often wonder what poets read when they get home
at night; there is so much animosity between poets here that I doubt they
even glance at the work of other Australian writers.'
i found the presumptions here rather offensive and disappointing......
joanne burns
----- Original Message -----
From: John Kinsella <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: A caution
> the article 'recognises' divisions - and i'm afraid they are there. but it
> 'promotes' community. not all poets like the idea of community, or at
least
> those that don't fit their agendas. it is always time for different ways
of
> talking. newspapers don't seem to work in that way though. email lists
can, and
> often do - this is part of the same conversation, just different in its
> spatiality. so. maybe newspapers can 'connect' through this and become
something
> else in the process.
>
> the article can't spark a 'war' if there's no one to fight the
battles...but
> there are lines of thought that occasionally clash. it is not asking for
> conflict - quite the opposite. however, in the world of prize culture
things
> polarise pretty quickly. which is unfortunate.
>
> what i am arguing subtextually, is that much dialogue in australian poetry
is
> the slave of an incipient (and overt) nationalism and parochialism (as
opposed
> to 'regionalism').. this i find worrying.
>
> best,
> jk
>
>
>
> Debbie Comerford wrote:
>
> > This is what I don't understand John - you don't believe in wars but
your
> > article has the potential to spark a poetry war by claiming that there
is
> > one. Do you not think that naming something that doesn't exist has the
> > power to create it? By naming a new school your article produces
boundaries
> > and walls of exclusion which do not lead to dialogue. Knowing your
politics
> > and poetics I don't think you intended to territorialise Australian
poets,
> > yet this is how the article reads.
> >
> > Isn't it time for different ways of talking about the communities of
poets
> > forming - the gossamer line of flight?
> >
> > regards
> > deb
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Kinsella <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: A caution
> >
> > > nor i - in wars - on any level. passion of beliefs is something i
> > understand.
> > > respect your speaking!! that's what it's all about. dialogue,
community
> > etc.
> > >
> > > best,
> > > jk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jill Jones wrote:
> > >
> > > > on 6/2/01 12:35 PM, John Kinsella at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > not one person from outside oz who has contacted me after reading
it
> > has read
> > > > > the article that way. you seem to be intentionally misreading. i
just
> > don't
> > > > > say
> > > > > that, jill - vif you look at the piece as a whole. it is clear
that i
> > have
> > > > > focussed on something that interests me etc.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, but no, not at all 'intentionally' - just concerned,
genuinely
> > > > concerned, about an impression that appears to have been created by
> > context
> > > > etc etc. Unfortunately, impressions matter for all the obvious
> > problematic
> > > > reasons. If I've hammered it a bit it was only because of that. I
guess
> > a
> > > > bit of passion is very uncool. So I'll leave it to others now - if
they
> > care
> > > > to. We shall have to agree to disagree. I'm not interested in a war
or
> > even
> > > > a scrap. I shall leave the field now to write and read, that's what
> > really
> > > > interests me - the day is slipping away.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Jill
> > > >
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> > > > Marrickville NSW 2204
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