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Re: one more with feeling - Life is a drug....(Safety or not safety?)

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Sonia Lipenolch <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:37:17 +0000

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The figure are taken from a lecture of Professor John Henry, the UK leading
(medical) authority on toxicology of drugs of abuse .

All the rest, your misrepresentation of my efforts to e-mail data of
(medical) risk-taking, on the issue of Ecstasy, is deeply demoralizing. So,
please, from now on, keep monologuing. No moral issue was in question here,
but you insist talking this language, and you refuse to face the fact that
you are dismissing the health aspects of the problem. Mind you, whether you
take or not drugs, is of no interst or concern for me, and it is your
absolute private business (that you call freedom: but I ask, who prevents
you from this liberty, a part from police and State? Certanly not the
doctors, who just merely come and picks you crumbs and try to stick them
back together again when the time comes).


On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:31:33 -0000, mindfight <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>>>(although you might be aware that drugs are still illegal).
>
>that's one sweeping (generalising\authoritarian) statement.... what drugs -
>what is "drugs"?? considering that alcohol, nicotin (and caffein (hit by a
>50kg sack)) kill someone every second...
>
>-- in any case a silly discussion. We can have an exchange about the
>substance of substances - or we can have a series of monologues, as if we
>were dictators that wanted our way, at any cost. I certainly do no want to
>'defend' drugs to or for anyone, but the problems in the world that are
>related to drugs call for a more interesting debate then 'science says
this'
>and science says that. Cars, just as drugs, are technology, and they are
>occassionally used to kill people, with or without intention; and they
>pollute, so tells me science - now what can i do with that information??
>what is there for me learn from that? that cars are bad - that cars are
cool
>or that cars are dangerous???
>
>'all things have two handles, beware of the wrong one' (RW Emerson) -
>beware, obviously, to me at least, excludes ignorance and turning my back.
>Either i go look for myself; or i rest my case. I never immediately
absorbed
>any information, especially if it came from the thousand-headed-monster
they
>call representative democracy....
>
>the school i went to made me paranoid - and i did not even do drugs -
should
>that school be closed?
>
>>> ....(World Illegal Drugs Trade equal worth $ 3250bn.)
>
> (way out of known proportions: where the H do you get this figure from??)
>
>... and it is going to stay illegal and on the increase as long as we talk
>like this to each other. This is exactly what is required for such laws to
>remain intact. Corruption of politicians and legislatures is not enough.
>Corruption of minds of the masses is required as well..............
>ooohhh-hoooohh drugs are so bad and dangerous - we better keep them illegal
>for the safety of our children - nevermind that it is the CIA Drugs Inc.
>that trades, shifts and distributes them in order to stay liquid and
>flexible to annihilate, create vacuums and fill those vacuums in order to
>advance the great world order of the puritan descendants...
>
>
>
>m
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Erminia" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:23 AM
>Subject: Re: one more with feeling - Life is a drug....(Safety or not
>safety?)
>
>
>On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:12:04 -0000, mindfight <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>
>>Erminia's make
>>me want to take a drug, simply in opposition. The Church and the
>>Marxist-Leninist are some of the most busy indoctrinators i have heard of
>in
>>my short life; and they represent, to me as a child of the 70s & 80s, the
>>same authoritarian conservative and damaging oppressive and suppressive
>>regimes as do the drug barons.
>
>
>The "moral" approach to drug abuse is not at issue here and not even the
>legal one (although you might be aware that drugs are still illegal). What
>we are talking about is the safety side of it. Now you may think that
>because some of you have experimented somehow with drugs that this is a
>futile argument. However, is your anecdotal evidence to have little (if
>any) value (I mean scientifically).
>See what the professionals tell us about the effects of drug abuse, and
>then think twice before promoting the drug culture.
>Among the side effects of MDMA, for example, we have:
>Malignant hyperthermia, seizures, paranoia, chest pain, arrhythmias,
>hypertensive crisis, rhabdomyolysis, syncope, sexual dysfunction, etc.
>These are not fairy tales, but the result of observation of real cases.
>People have died or have been seriously ill, why? To be cool or just to be
>rebels for the sake of it. So, we are still in the second generation of\
>Romantics( say, the end of the Ninety Century, to be more depressively
>precise!). In fact, these kind of rebels celebrate but the self-destructive
>nature of drug abuse against the establishment: not to talk of the fact
>that the drug industry is the third economical world power....(World
>Illegal Drugs Trade equal worth $ 3250bn.) and the UK drugs trade 1.2% of
>GDP.So, stop being children you children of the Eighties (brothers of mine,
>then, since I was a child in the Eighties too!)..
>
>
>erminia

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