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Subject:

Re: one more with feeling

From:

"david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:01:26 -0000

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I feel rather more like the defunct parrot at present myself.

Here's to Jane Austen, and her heroines.

Best

Dave



David Bircumshaw

Leicester, England

Home Page

A Chide's Alphabet

Painting Without Numbers

www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: one more with feeling


> I'm beginning to feel like someone in that Monty Python sketch in the
> railway carriage (you know, where "mosque" is next to "mosquito" in
> the dictionary).
>
> No, I didn't know, when I often think of Jane Austen's heroines when
> I dose my sick headaches.
>
> best
>
> A
>
> >Re Theory No. 331 would you agree as well that another source of the
> >'epidemic' is the unbalanced individualism of our societies? That we are
> >making worlds where everyone is being made alone? That's a very fuzzy
> >thought though. Interesting that it was the Romantics who were used as
> >therapy, I can see that, while did you know (Interesting Fact No. 331)
that
> >aspirin was actually a Victorian invention? I forget the details but it
was
> >based on a traditional folk-remedy, something like crushed willow-bark,
> >which was the common remedy for the majority of the population who
couldn't
> >afford opium.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >David Bircumshaw
> >
> >Leicester, England
> >
> >Home Page
> >
> >A Chide's Alphabet
> >
> >Painting Without Numbers
> >
> >www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
> >
> >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:50 AM
> >Subject: Re: one more with feeling
> >
> >
> >>  Well  I wasn't exactly _recommending_ analgesics, though I confess
> >>  that one of the reasons I am happy I was born in the 20C is the
> >>  invention of aspirin.
> >>
> >>  But there is a general idea in Western societies that pain is _bad_
> >>  and to be avoided at all costs.  Now I'm not one of those who thinks
> >>  that suffering is good for the soul - that's complete crap - but to
> >>  me it seems that the total avoidance of pain amounts to a total
> >>  avoidance of life.   And so as a society we are less and less able to
> >>  deal with it, and I think that's the major reason for the "epidemic"
> >>  of mental illness which is happening now.  It was telling for me that
> >>  once when a bunch of psychiatrists showed some patients some romantic
> >>  poetry (Wordsworth, Coleridge et al) they all began to feel better.
> >>
> >>  Theory No. 331 from Alison.
> >>
> >>  Cheers
> >>
> >>  A
> >>
> >>
> >>  >Long may you continue, Liz!
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >Alison is quite right about analgesics, if they work for one, I'm
afraid
> >I'm
> >>  >beyond any pain-killers, except for the visitations of sleep. The one
> >thing
> >>  >I did have was a sense of poetry as a protected space, but that's
been
> >>  >invaded now.
> >>  >
> >>  >But, yes, it is a triumph, to be alive.
> >>  >
> >>  >Best
> >>  >
> >>  >Dave
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >David Bircumshaw
> >>  >
> >>  >Leicester, England
> >>  >
> >>  >Home Page
> >>  >
> >>  >A Chide's Alphabet
> >>  >
> >>  >Painting Without Numbers
> >>  >
> >>  >www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
> >>  >
> >>  >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> >>  >----- Original Message -----
> >>  >From: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>  >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>  >Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:56 AM
> >>  >Subject: Re: one more with feeling
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >>  In a message dated 12/26/01 10:10:45 GMT Standard Time,
> >>  >>  [log in to unmask] writes:
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  > What makes it worse is the love one feels for others, if it were
> >just a
> >>  >>  > problem for one's selfish self it wouldn't be so bad.
> >>  >>  >
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  yes this is a nub of real distress.......
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  and to think of poetry without pain - ?
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  or without joy - !
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  I experience a world that is so completely wrapped about, often
one
> >does
> >>  >not
> >>  >>  end before the other begins and sometimes I cannot tell the
> >difference.
> >>  >It
> >>  >>  seems a great triumph to me, simply to be alive.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  A fragile continuance
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  Liz
> >>  >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  --
> >>
> >>
> >>  Alison Croggon
> >>
> >>  Home page
> >>  http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/
> >>  Masthead
> >>  http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/
> >>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Alison Croggon
>
> Home page
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/
> Masthead
> http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/
>

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