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Subject:

Re: Poetics of internet art/activism

From:

Jorge Luiz Antonio <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Curating digital art - www.newmedia.sunderland.ac.uk/crumb/

Date:

Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:20:52 -0300

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Good statements, Tom Bell.
Anyway, the Postmoderne Culture claims for an Internet Poetics, that is,
digital art and digital poetry, in a general sense.
Sometimes it seems only a change of codes, and even a transportation from
paper (canvas, stone, stage, and so on) to screen, from a kind of
representation to a numerical (algorythm) way of also trying to represent
reality.
Internet and digital art are young. We have to wait for many years to see
works of art as Shakespeare's poems, Camões, Fernando Pessoa, James Joyce,
Jorge Luís Borges, and so on.
But what you question is valid and important. From thoughts like those one
it will arise possibilities and challenges to get better and better. It is
an artist's need.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Bell, Psy. D." <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:01 PM
Subject: Poetics of internet art/activism


> as an aging activist in real-life movements who has become involved
> artistically in an imbroglio with internet and 'real-life' social,
political
> dimensions which touches on 'real' lives.  This drama began on the
internet
> (email, bb's, and a web site or two) and continues to unfold there and
> through snail mail, phone calls, conversations with doctors, etc. - it has
> bcome somewhat of a symphony in my opinion, but I'm disappointed that I
have
> not been able to find much useful in print or on the net regarding the
> aesthetics or poetics of net movements.  I find myself returning to
Alinsky
> and MLK for inspiration and Aristotle for guidance.
>      As far as net work with impact there is Reiner's project of a few
years
> ago with it's aesthetic esprite but I've found little else.  There is the
> sound-poetry-performance movement in the international 'art world' which
has
> it's roots in the early years of the century just ended, but this type of
> discussion too often degenerates into classification and definition
battles.
> The Prix Ars Electronica has at least three separate categories and my
> general impression is that there are tiny bits of potentially useful
> information scattered all over the net and nobody communicates with
anybody
> else.  There seem to be a lot of turf wars being fought for attention and
a
> lot of slivers of dirt being tossed in the air at random. [this last might
> just be a reflection of my current morass]
>
> HELP. suggestions?
>
> tom bell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Minerva Cuevas" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: from Grant Kester
>
>
> > > Or is it just that that the _rhetoric_ of the medium says it will be
> > > good for the job of international communication and networking?  I'm
> > > struck by the relatively few examples of successful international
> > > net.art activism (irational being amongst them) and I'd be very
> > > interested to hear about what does work, and what is just rhetoric.
> > > I'm also interested that artists like Susan Collins  and Paul Sermon
> > > have work which is very much about skills of enabling dialogue,
> > > although it may not be explicitly activist.
> >
> > For MVC the important thing about online strategies is to target an off
> line
> > social context.
> >
> > I do reject the idea of net activism, the net is only one of the tools
or
> > mediums to reach people, there is no such a thing as "political art" or
> "art as
> > activism", activism is there if the real concern is to make a social
> > statement/action as a political actor.
> >
> > I like to think about irational.org as one of this political actors, not
> an
> > online server, and results are there: work/campaigns are developed via
> online
> > tools. MVC has target the public assistance that should be provided by
the
> > national lottery (Mexico), the inclusion of the homeless people as part
of
> the
> > national census (Mexico), or the discounts/free admision to cultural
> centres
> > and public transport using student ID cards (international), pirate
radio
> > stations are opened, help is provided, statements are made.
> >
> > I think results should not be expected on line but in the idea of the
> world we
> > want to live in and in daily life...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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