Christopher: Many thanks for your comments. Others on the list may or may not know
the interesting dossiers left by Dom Gelle in the BN, dossiers of manuscript notes
for his projected editions of Ivo's works. A remarkable body of work by the
redoubtable 18th century scholar. Those interested in manuscript records on the
far side of the Revolution, and not just records of canon law manuscripts, might
want to look at the dossiers if you get a chance in Paris. Bruce.
Christopher Crockett wrote:
> Bruce Brasington <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >I'd also add that Martin Brett and I, as we've worked the last 4 years
> on this edition, have seen more and more--or perhaps, more honestly put--felt
> more and more the presence of an Ivonian circle. Dear Bruce,
> >If you or anyone else is interested in the "reception" of the Panormia,
> especially via glossed manuscripts, let me know.
> Dear Bruce,
> thanks; my own interest is fairly intensely focused in the prosopography of
> the (mostly lesser) gentry of the region, 11th-13th cc., and the contraversies
> they were embroiled in which might have generated the documents by which i can
> reconstruct it (e.g., a married canon --Paganus de Mongervilla, i think it
> was-- from c.1100 who was in the LePuiset
> crew and probably forced out of the chapter by Ivo the Knitpicker).
> so, i suppose that if the provenance of any of the early mss could be nailed
> down to some local house, that might be of some use, somehow.
> surely St John's --"reformed" by Ivo-- must have been interested, though i'm
> not sure i've ever heard of mss from that house, save for the cartularies.
> btw, i had an interesting experience in chartres, circa 1986, when i somewhat
> naively asked to see a 12th c. ms of ivo's letters in the city library.
> a small box was brought out, very dusty with a stencilled "C.A.R.E. POWDERED
> MILK" on its sides.
> within, wrapped in seperate packets of _France Soir_, circa 1947, were
> the remains of the disbound mss.
> very small leaves, with tiny, *tiny* writing in a beautiful, perfectly
> legible, script. i'd been working quite a bit in the departmental archives,
> going through a lot of 11th-13th c. charters and i found this hand to be quite
> extraordinary, compared to the ones i was used to
> the more i looked, the more amazed i became, just astonished at how someone
> could write so small and so clear.
> finally it dawned on me (duh) that the krinkling of the parchment might
> be a clue.
> the ms had, of course, been in the 1945 fire, been thoroughly soaked and, as i
> saw from a note within the box, been sent to the restoration
> services section of the BN.
> it had just shrunk.
> best from here,
> p.s. as you surely know, btw, the indications in the catalogue of mss at the
> BM in Chartres as to the condition of the mss are not always reliable
> --sometimes there is more there to be seen than the blue pencilled notes
> would lead one to believe.
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