Dear Kate,
I can reply to your request for info on the latest icidh -
there is a set of beta version on http://www.who.ch/icidh
I hope this covers what you want
JIm
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:36:23 -0400 Kate Kaul
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> [log in to unmask] writes:
> >I think that at this point I may abandon this discussion, as it is
> >becoming
> >increasingly circular. In my experience most of the pwd and families
> >supporting them are not particularly interested in the philosophical
> >aspects
> >and naval gazing that comes with it.
>
> No? I get really tired of being told that there is an unbridgeable rift
> between the experience of real pwds (and their families), and "the
> philosophical aspects and navel gazing" that characterize this kind of
> discussion. Claiming experience like this is not a very useful way to
> dismiss a discussion which isn't answering your questions the way you want
> them answered. My comments are rooted in my own experience of disability,
> and the need to assert my rights and claim disability in specific ways, in
> specific contexts, to get my needs and rights respected. Negotiating
> definitions, language, and social structures is part of disability
> experience for many, many, people. I'm at graduate school, investigating
> disability in an interdisciplinary context, and this is also part of my
> experience. This is a research list, and this thread is still discussing
> disability research. You may not be interested in discussing the politics
> of definition and identification or in any of my comments but they were at
> least a polite response to your questions, and I think the tone of your
> own response to me is entirely uncalled for.
>
> >They are too stretched and exhausted
> >from the physical and emotional overload in their life, and look at the
> >community, or our government representing the community for help. they
> >really don't give a damn whether this is by right or out of charity, as
> >long
> >as the help meets their needs.
>
> What we're talking about is how people get "help," or services( or equity,
> or recognition of rights, obligations, and other aspects of citizenship).
> >
> >So far this discussion has produced a lot of hot air, but no answers to my
> >questions.
> >
> >au revoir, John
>
> bye.
>
> I'm still interested in finding the new version of the ICIDH; does anyone
> have a citation? David?!
> I'll be away til the middle of next week; I'll be interested to see where
> this discussion has gone by then.
> regards,
> Kate
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Jim Wood
University of Exeter
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