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> A bit off the subject of the Dormition - but there is an interesting
> depiction of the Virgin in association with the Trinity in the top panels
> of the main lights in the main east window at Gresford in north Wales. The
> three central panels are the Father (standard old-man-with-beard), the Son
> (with the BVM as a diminutive figure on his lap) and the Holy spirit as a
> bearded male figure bearing a dove. Either side of this are 2 more
> depictions of the BVM - one with lily and palm, one at the Annunciation
> with a dove and a sunbeam - and the Archangel Gabriel and St John the
> One could meditate on this one for hours and hours! Superficially it looks
> as though the BVM is being presented as a 4th member of the Trinity - but I
> think the presence of St John suggests that it's a complex meditation on
> the Incarnation and Mary's relationship with the individual persons of the
> The iconographical arrangement of the whole window is interesting - Tree of
> Jesse in the top tracery, this Trinity/BVM sequence at the top of the main
> lights, then a Te Deum window below. Much is unfortunately Victorian
> reconstruction but they do seem (unusually) to have followed the
> iconographic arrangement of the original sequences.
> Gresford was virtually rebuilt under the influence of the remarkable
> Margaret Beaufort and has a lot of powerful representations of the BVM, St
> Anne and female saints. No Carthusian connections in the area that I know
> of and it isn't particularly near any cistercian houses either.
> Dr Madeleine Gray
> Department of Humanities and Science
> 'Reading is sometimes an ingenious device for avoiding thought'
> Anne Marshall
> <[log in to unmask]> To: "[log in to unmask]"
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> medieval-religion-request@mail cc:
> base.ac.uk Subject: Dormition of the Virgin with
> Trinity, plus a note
> 03/10/00 12:22 AM
> Please respond to
> They're not common, but I do know of several more Coronations of the Virgin
> by the Trinity, in manuscript painting and in wall painting. I suspect
> there may be a Carthusian connection for some of them. Certainly Marian
> veneration didn't get much higher than this.
Apart from the allusion to 'victorian reconstruction' you are coy, nay
silent as to date (I'll agree
to having heard the name of Maggie Beaufort, but it's not clear whether
you want to say she was the
originator of this glassware). I wonder if you can offer us an
approximate date for any conjectured
original presentation of this interesting depiction?
Carthusian/Schmarthusian: these guys surely got around quite a bit more
than we have documents for.
Angus Graham (in distant Araby)