If we recognise that personal growth can occur through adventure we have to
ask what is it that a person would most benefit from in terms of their
personal growth? Facilitation is then about optimizing the opportunity for
this.
Pete.
Peter Bunyan 01243 816317
Adventure Education Component Leader
School of Physical Education
University College Chichester
Chichester PO19 4PE
>>> Linda Allin <[log in to unmask]> 30-Jun-00 9:15:17 AM >>>
I wouldn't say I've taken the comment wrongly, just interpreted it
differently - which may not have been the way you intended it to be taken -
an issue with written texts. Can you clarify what you mean then
ask the question 'what does this person(s) need, and how can we best
supply these'.The only problem with this is that we have to be able to
recognise the needs of the participant and be able to suply them.
we may very well have both male and
females who cannot recognise or will not recognise some spheres of intended
outcomes, and therefore a gender issue is imposed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bunyan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 30 June 2000 08:58
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: RE: gender cont.
No you have taken the comment wrongly (maybe assuming it was a masculine
perspective), I was not implying a top down recognition, the recognition in
my mind is an interactive one. Are you imposing an agenda?
Pete.
>>> Linda Allin <[log in to unmask]> 30-Jun-00 8:54:25 AM >>>
I'm a little uncomfortable with the notion of the facilitator deciding 'what
does this person(s)need? and supplying needs - seems rather a top-down
approach to me. Also in terms of gender, I would query the 'imposing' of
gender 'on top of' an otherwise neutral process and would argue that gender
is inherent rather than an add on that can be separated out
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bunyan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 30 June 2000 08:43
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Subject: Re: gender cont.
Surely the answer to the problem can be from a facilitators perspective, if
we ask the question 'what does this person(s) need, and how can we best
supply these'. The only problem with this is that we have to be able to
recognise the needs of the participant and be able to suply them. This is
where the gender issue may arise, we may very well have both male and
females who cannot recognise or will not recognise some spheres of intended
outcomes, and therefore a gender issue is imposed.
Pete.
Peter Bunyan 01243 816317
Adventure Education Component Leader
School of Physical Education
University College Chichester
Chichester PO19 4PE
Peter Bunyan 01243 816317
Adventure Education Component Leader
School of Physical Education
University College Chichester
Chichester PO19 4PE
Peter Bunyan 01243 816317
Adventure Education Component Leader
School of Physical Education
University College Chichester
Chichester PO19 4PE
>>> ECSKRIC1 <[log in to unmask]> 29-Jun-00 10:53:57 PM >>>
Just a quick thought as I think more about the further responses
on gender equity ...
Chris .. i think the issue of how we become positive in our approach
when addressing the masculine and feminine issues is important .. so
thanks for raising that point.
I also identify how as you asked us to take into account mens'
experience that I found myself asking whether in developing practice
I risk avoiding being really true to a feminist approach if I choice
to be always considering and be mindful of men's experience as we do
this ... as this may serve to dilute women's voices and bring with
that obvious risks .This raises the issues of a seperatist approach
, which I do not necessarily say I agree with but it allows us to
recognize the complex issues we face as we address gender issues and
some of the dilemmas I personally face as I try and locate this
perspective to my practice.
Perhaps I am reflecting upon this in practice as I consider the
issues a research team faced as we developed adventure therapy. For
three years of the research process we had been an all female team ,
this was part of our practice in ensuring we could remain true to
women's voices.. we found ourselves in the final phase choosing a
mixed group setting ... yet grappled with this decision .. and as a
team are still in process on reflecting upon this in terms of the
adventure therapy practice we are developing, alongside the
development of theoretical models for adventure therapy.
Chris : As you ask what would work for women I wonder if as a women
on the outres list I can actually discuss this in the presence of
men... This may again seem like a seperatist approach but what it
does alert us to is how if we are going to address these issues then
perhaps we need to create a safe place for these discussion to
happen, echoing the question by james how we make this discussion
inclusive of all .. I actually question how this lack of
psycholgocial safety for me is actaully part of my socialisation as a
woman?
I also acknowledge the comment on not taking
comments on the list personally that someone pointed out to me....
and for me this raised a really important area in research and
practice, in terms of the boundaries between the public and private
and how this is a difficult process to negotiate. Perhaps this also
raises the issue of reflexivity in our research processes ... and
that the personal does enter into our work .... in fact any sharing
of experiences of how one's addresses the personal in research and
being reflexive throughout the research process i think could be
frutiful discussion for this list ... it seems to be frequently
suggested as good practice in the research process... yet how do we
manage this process ... and again the gender issue lurks again here
if we consider the value of emotionality in our society !!
Not quite sure what this adds to the discussion .... but my risk
taking continues !!!!
kaye
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