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From: David Summers <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 11:33
> >See "Coals from Newcastle" by Roger Finch, Terence Dalton Limited,
> >Lavenham, Surrey (1973) which covers the history of the trade in a
> >couple of hundred interesting pages
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> >es and no - most of the later London gas works got their coal from the
> >river and canal not via rail lines. Some of the early works got theirs
> >by road - and they were built pre-railway. The really big works -
> >Beckton, East Greenwich were entirely served by river. Although, for
> >instance, East Greenwich had rail access it was not mainly used for coal
> >supply. Rail access was often put in later - for instance those holders
> >at St.Pancras which everyone sees are where they are because the rail
> >line was put in, a long time after the gas works was built. I could go
> >on about this for hours.
> >The point about my comment on gas works was because I was ususual. I
> >would expect coal from the Tyne to come down by collier and go to gas
> >works in London by canal - or later the North London Line. I wouldn't
> >expect it to come in by rail! The other point the original writer made
> >was about the coal being called 'Tyne' - although it might have come
> >from Chesterfield - there has been a previous correspondence about all
> >coal being called 'Wallsend' wherever it came from as a trade name.
> >The coal trade by collier between London and the Tyne/Wear was massive
> >and is very underrsearched. I am interested in anyone who knows much
> >about it. I have some information on gas company colliers in London - we
> >call them 'Thames colliers' but I notice a recent book about the same
> >ships calls them 'Tyne colliers'* - oh well!
> >Mary
> >
> >*steamers at the staithes from Newcastle Libraries Dept. recommended.
> David A Summers
>
> David A. Summers
> Curators' Professor of Mining Engineering
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> University of Missouri-Rolla,
> Rolla, MO 65409-0810
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A useful book on colliery ports and their ships is "The Steam Collier
Fleets"
by Macrae & Waine, Published by Waine Research.1990
I hope this is not too far off subject.
Walter Bareham.
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