You know John that was the worst post I have had the displeasure of trying
to read. When you put in commentary at least try to distinguish it from
the text of what others have written. It makes it very hard to read, and
gives a schizophrenic impression of the original post.
Steve
--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Budiansky on nature lovers:
>
> PS. One wonders what is a nature hater by reading this litany of ad
> hominem
> argument. Lets all gang up on nature today, rather than love nature, you
> know the romantic sunset, even if it is across an oily slick of Frisco
> Bay.
> I am reminded of Alan Ginsbergs poem.
>
>
> > "Many (of us) modern-day nature lovers, unwilling to acknowledge such
> a
> >dubious parentage to their deepest feelings (are they supposed to have
> a
> sense of shame here about their *deepest feelings*?), have tried hard to
> establish a
> >more ancient and noble ancestry to their beliefs (I don't know anyone
> that
> tries hard at all). Ancient
> >hunter-gatherers, who lived in a state of 'balanced and harmonious'
> >existence, altering 'neither the natural firmament nor the animals and
> >plants that shared the land with them (in relative terms they did not.
> There are exceptions for instance Easter Island),' were the original
> lovers and
> >worshippers of nature (well who came first here. The ancient or the
> moderns. Seems rather simple to answer. Wonder why Budiansky cannot
> figure
> it out), writes the environmental historian and philosopher
> >Max Oelschlaeger (most anthropologists agree); Western civilization has
> forgotten these ancient truths (well if they are ancient truths, then
> what
> went wrong with us 'postmoderns'?)
> >in its ten-thousand-year pursuit of material progress (Ah yes. Material
> progress. Now I understand. Is there something such as material
> progress).
> Or if it was not
> >materialistic capitalism that destroyed humankind's primordial
> reverence
> >for the wild, then perhaps it was Christianity, individualism,
> >agriculturalism, Jews, the Iron Age, rationalism, or possibly
> >'phallocentric society.'(I wonder where Budiansky got this phrase from?
> Something from Freud perhaps. What does it mean? Does he answer any
> queries?
> that the reader might have? Perhaps Spivak in her introduction to
> Derridas
> Grammatology in her excellent commentary on Nietzsche). (Perhaps he is
> alluded to some secondary reference to Lacan the French psychologists?)
> (Is
> this an academic writing, or some old fart with nothing on his mind but
> *material progress* or what ever that is).
>
> >All have been fingered at one time or another in
> >this century by various environmentalist thinkers of various political
> >stripes" (31-32). (Now the sarcasm rolls out: oh my Gosh. The
> 'finger'...Help lest we too get fingered for our feelings about nature).
> What a man!
>
> What on earth is the man saying that could arouse such 'temper' to raise
> his
> finger? Why does he not become more truly inventive and say something
> that
> will astonish. Does he simply suffer from 'page rage' and wants to shock
> himself?
>
> >[In a footnote to this paragraph, Budiansky adds, "For a
> >discussion of environmental conspiracy theories and the search for lost
> >traditions, see (Anna) Bramwell, *Ecology in the 20th Century*, 34-36"
> >(Bud. p. 253).]
>
>
>
> Toddle Looow
>
> johannes
> The essence is thus the internal determination of to be, that which,
> when we
> conceive to be, we are also forced to conceive: its intrinsic
> presupposition. In this its truth consists; essence is radical truth.
>
> The essence of the oak is the "reason" through which this process
> "seed-tree-fruit" is a process intrinsically "oaking". And this
> character of
> process which is the essence, Hegel will tell us, is something which we
> see
> ourselves forced to conceive in order that there may be becoming; and
> "forced to conceive" is precisely a character of thinking.
>
> On Essence, Zubiri www.zubiri.org
>
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