Your £125 would actually buy you 10 ISBNs not just one and they get cheaper
once you are established. Our ISBNs cost £60 for 10 however we have decided
even that is a waste of money.
I imagine you haven't tried to register in Canada. I think you would find
they would need you to have an office in Canada since the ISBN is not a set
of random numbers but indicates country of origin and the publisher's name
with a check digit to avoid duplication.
As I said in an earlier post, if you sent a copy to the British Library
your publication would appear in a pretty substantial database with no
further cost to you.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [BRITARCH] Alternative to ISBN (Friday question)
Carol, David, Matthew,
the cost of getting a first ISBN number is about £125 - which as I said
is a rip-off. (What does it take to add an entry to a database? Nothing
if done online!) This is just silly money if you are doing voluntary
things and often printing on demand.
And the main reason for having a reference number would be:
1. the discipline of assigning a number (which might prompt us to send
some copies off)
2. It would make it easier to find on the internet.
3. In the unlikely event it was sold more generally, we wouldn't have to
reprint with an reference number.
Of course, we could achieve all this just by making up our own 10+
-digit number ... but it just seems better to join in some recognised
scheme other than the ISBN rip-off.
... and no one has said, we can't "publish" in Canada where ISBN
registration is free!
The result I never get an ISBN number and because
On 13/07/2012 13:36, Carol Primrose wrote:
> You have the choice not to use it. There is no law that requires
> publishers to use ISBNs; they are simply a mechanism for identifying
> different works with similar or identical titles. Large commercial
> publishers find them useful but they are a waste of money as far as small,
> non-commercial publishers are concerned.
> The copyright deposit act is another thing altogether. If you do not
> deposit a copy of a publication with the British Library and any of the
> other deposit libraries which ask for it 1. you are breaking the law,
> although you are unlikely to find the police on your doorstep; 2. Your
> publication will not go into the British National Bibliography and the
> British Library Catalogue which means that people who might be interested
> to read it or buy it will have no way of knowing it exists.
> The copyright act currently applies only to printed material. There are
> currently discussions about how to deal with electronic publications. Look
> up Copyright Deposit for more information.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Haseler"
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> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:18 AM
> Subject: [BRITARCH] Alternative to ISBN (Friday question)
>> I'm about to "publish" a small booklet and thought it would be nice to
>> get an ISBN number.
>> I checked the internet and found a company called Nielsen who seemed to
>> be charging the earth for a number, so I had a look to find what the
>> competition are charging and was horrified to find that ISBN numbers are
>> a commercial money-grabbing monopoly and you (apparently) have no choice
>> but to use this one company.
>> ... then I discovered that Canada and Hong-kong issue ISBN numbers for
>> ... and if I get "by the book" publishing on Amazon it is "free" (or
>> Which really shows that ISBN numbers are a rip off. Which then got we
>> wondering. What is to stop me "publishing" in Canada?
>> There's some kind of law about book deposits ... but I've been
>> "publishing" all my life without ever worrying about that.
>> Indeed, if the UK had a simple system of book registering which was not a
>> commercial rip-off - and electronic copies were simple and straight
>> forward to deposit, I may well have deposited quite a few things with the
>> British Library over the years.
>> So, I was wondering whether anyone knows of an alternative to using the
>> ISBN which bypasses one of the few legal monopolies.