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Re: A question about a locution used by the "girlfriend" of Trayvon Martin

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Donald Winford <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:15:05 -0400

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Hi all,

The "come +V" construction is found in Caribbean creoles such as
Trinidadian. I'm not sure of its distribution among the other creoles.
It's used typically in narrative, and seems to have some kind of
function relating to sequencing of events. It also exists in Sranan, in
the form of the kon"come" +V construction, as in *Dan Kofin kon dede*..
("Then Kofi died"). I can't lay my hands on the precise meaning it conveys
right now.

Maybe Trayvon's girlfriend has Caribbean roots?

Don.
-- 
Don Winford
Professor of Linguistics.
Office 614 292 0362
-- 
Don Winford
Professor of Linguistics.
Office 614 292 0362


On Thu, April 5, 2012 3:28 am, TRUDGILL Peter wrote:
> Two things:
>
> 1.   A little known but totally brilliant short paper on "try and" is:
>
> Jan Terje Faarlund and Peter Trudgill. 1999. Pseudo-coordination in
> English: the �try and� problem. Zeitschrift f�r Anglistik und Amerikanistik
> 47,3, 210-213,
>
> where data from the third-person-singular zero East Anglian dialect is
> adduced.
>
>  I can send a PDF if anyone wants to look at it.
>
>
> 2. The "go see/come do" construction is, I think, unknown outside North
> America - or at least it was until recently - it's certainly not
> grammatical for me.  "Go and see something" is the only possibility.
>
>
> Peter
> _____________________________________________
> Peter Trudgill  FBA
> Prof. of Sociolinguistics, Agder Univ., N;
> Prof. Emeritus of Eng. Linguistics, Fribourg Univ, CH;
> Hon. Prof. of Sociolinguistics, UEA, Norwich, UK
>
> New book: Sociolinguistic typology: social determinants of linguistic
> complexity. OUP. 2011.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Apr 2012, at 05:00, David Bowie wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:47:17 -0800, Daniel Ross
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> In English, I argue that there are two types. The V1 primary (like "try
> and
> X" or "be sure and X"), and the V2 primary (all of the motion verb
> examples-- "go and X" or "come and X").
>
> Note that only the motion verb type can be in the past tense-- "went and
> ate" vs *"tried and go/went".
>
> This is rather a sidebar to the rest of the discussion, but according to
> my intuition (obligatory caveat: never trust anyone's intuition) "Pat
> tried and went home, but didn't make it all the way there" seems fine.
>
> <snip>
>
> --
> David Bowie
>
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