Rachel — won't get to it — too much happening, too much work & I don't
really know enough about him — but the piece by Rachel you mentioned
is excellent & way better than anything I could say. So this morning
on my blog I posted an essay from signandsight on Turkey's writers'
difficulties with official participation at the Frankfurt book fair. &
now have to quickly turn to correcting proofs for my book of essays
JUSTIFYING THE MARGINS, or else Salt is not going toi get it out
before the end of the year. — Pierre
On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Rachel Loden wrote:
> Wonderful, Pierre, I'm really looking forward to your Nomadics post on
> Haavikko. As always, glad you're on the case.
>
> Rewriting one paragraph of my post for clarity:
>
> But (contrary to whatever's on the net) he never actually won the
> Nobel,
> although I'm sure he was considered for it in his lifetime.
> Ironically, the
> awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize today to Martti Ahtisaari surely has
> Haavikko rolling in his grave (if he's in it yet), since he despised
> Ahtisaari.
>
> Rachel
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pierre Joris
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:19 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Paavo Haavikko (1931-2008)
>>
>> Yes, I'm here, Rachel — just got back in fact & catching up with 10
>> days of mails — so your message announcing the Death of Haavikko was
>> the first I heard of it — Very sad — I never met the man, but he
>> clearly was a major voice of Finnish poetry — will post on him
>> tomorrow on Nomadics — Pierre
>> On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Rachel Loden wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that the only response is here, on this least
>> provincial
>>> of
>>> lists.
>>>
>>> And he's in /Poems for the Millennium/, for crying out
>> loud. (Pierre
>>> Joris,
>>> are you out there?)
>>>
>>> It's as if Creeley or Ashbery died and nobody said
>> anything. But of
>>> course
>>> my own ignorance is vast.
>>>
>>> I've put up another poem ("A Flower Song") and an early picture of
>>> him,
>>> taken around the time the poem was written.
>>>
>>> http://wordstrumpet.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>> lepää rauhassa---Rests in peace
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> lepää rauhassa
>>>>
>>>> KS
>>>>
>>>> 2008/10/7 Rachel Loden <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>
>>>>> Life being short, poverty and wealth
>>>>> are final verdicts, in that
>>>>> poverty and life are of equal duration
>>>>> and wealth and cold indifference
>>>>> are perennial and hereditary, like diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>> (from /May, Eternal/, 1988, tr. by Anselm Hollo)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And, briefly:
>>>>> The old part (1754-1762) is known as
>>>>> The Winter Palace.
>>>>> Accordingly everything,
>>>>> Floor, ceiling, walls
>>>>> Is covered with these exalted beings:
>>>>> Venus, Jupiter, many ladies
>>>>> Of a full-bodied vintage.
>>>>> You can still see how many a man
>>>>> Lost head and hat
>>>>> By the Berezhina River,
>>>>> You can see that Borodino
>>>>> Was a victory;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of such
>>>>> I'm talking, here,
>>>>> Under the roof
>>>>> Thatched by my hair.
>>>>>
>>>>> (from /The Winter Palace/, 1959, tr. by Anselm Hollo)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wordstrumpet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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