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Re: Last Judgement query

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CARLOS S <[log in to unmask]>

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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture

Jim:

I hope you can read Spanish. I came across with a reference in: CRESPO
PRIETO, Rosalía, "Las pinturas murales de la catedral de Mondoñedo",
_Estudios Mindonienses_: "María ante el Padre Eterno el Día del Juicio
descubriendo los pechos que han alimentado a su Hijo. Cristo, por otro
lado, muestra sus llagas a Dios Padre. El origen literario de este
tema se remonta al s. XII (L. Réau, II**, Cap. I, p. 122); se
encuentra por primera vez en un sermón de Arnaud de Chartres, abad de
Bonneval, que era amigo de San Bernardo. En su _De laudibus B. Mariae
Virginis_ dice: 'La Mère devant le Fils monstrant ses mamelles. Le
Fils devant le Père montrant ses plaines cruelles'. Este tema, como
señala Mª Carme Lacarra aparece desarrollado en el siglo XIV en el
poema de un letrista de Bayeux titulado _Advocatrice Nostre Dame_. El
tema se hace frecuente al final de la Edad Media bajo la influencia
del _Speculum Humanae Salvationis_. Desparece después del Concilio de
Trento. Ver: Ana Domínguez Rodríguez " 'Compassio' y 'Co-Redemptio' en
las Cantigas de Santa María. Crucifixión y Juicio Final", _Archivo
Español de Arte_, 281 (1998), pp. 17-35".

If my memory serves, a brief paper in The Burlington Magazine (or
Apollo?) analizes this iconography. I am sorry, but can't find the
reference.

Best Regards

Carlos Sastre

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:09 AM, V. Kerry Inman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Such questions easily turn into theological questions rather than questions
> of history. We are asking how this was perceived during the Middle Ages,
> right ? And not how it is in good catholic theology today.
>
> The perception of the Messiah as an intercessor, and the perception of the
> Messiah as the judge may both be seen in the Pre-Christian thought of the
> Jews and in the Rabbinic writings. So it is no doubt that both are present
> during the Middle Ages. There seems plenty of room in Rabbinic writings for
> contradictory positions. I would guess, however, this is not the case when
> we get to the late Middle Ages. I would be interested in anyone who can find
> an attempt to reconcile these.
>
> Regarding the pre-Christian thought a lot has been written on the subject by
> Daniel Boyarin and several "Messianic Jews" who wish to show that their
> ideas are Jewish indeed.
>
> V. Kerry Inman, M.A., M.Div., Th.M.
> Ph. D. Candidate, Arabic and Hebrew
> University of Pennsylvania
> Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:00:21 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [M-R] Last Judgement query
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> Fellow Listmembers,
> I have been reading about the Man of Sorrows image in the late Middle Ages
> and have been coming across two concepts that seem, to my eschatologically
> challenged eye, somewhat contradictory, and I wonder if anyone can square
> this circle for me.  On the one hand, Christ showing his wounds is equated
> with the Judge at the Last Judgement.  And on the other, Christ, on behalf
> of mankind, intercedes with the Father while showing his wounds.  How can
> one characterize Christ as both judge and intercessor?  And who is
> ultimately responsible for judgement - God the Son, or God the Father?  Any
> help greatly appreciated.
> Cheers,
> Jim
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