Hi Emmanuelle,
Thanks for this, it's very helpful!
I found this record which contains five events (production (1), exhibition history (3), Curatorial comment (1)):
http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1669159
Especially interesting is the "Curatorial comment" event which includes structured data for the comment creator and date.
I haven't been able to find records that describe events such as object excavation, alteration, or restoration, do know if these are being captured or will be captured in the future?
Thanks,
Greg
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Hi Greg,
The Yale Center for British Art has been using LIDO for close to 3 years now and recently it has proven to be a wonderful stepping stone to express rich and complex data.
We have a lot of documentation of both LIDO and CIDOC CRM on our website: http://britishart.yale.edu/collections/using-collections/technology
I am happy to talk more if that's helpful.
Emmanuelle
Emmanuelle Delmas-Glass
Collections Data Manager
Collections Information and Access
Yale Center for British Art
203-410-4069
http://britishart.yale.edu/collections/search
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From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Reser, Gregory
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:53 AM
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Subject: To LIDO or not to LIDO
I'm weighing the pros and cons of object-based (VRA Core<http://www.loc.gov/standards/vracore/>) vs. event-based (LIDO<http://network.icom.museum/cidoc/working-groups/data-harvesting-and-interchange/lido-overview/lidos-background/>) data models. I can see the benefits of LIDO, like the potential to capture related information about what has happened to an object over time and the flexibility it affords in the search and display of this data, but I wonder if it is a beautiful theory rather than a workable solution. My very frank question: is LIDO really advantageous and do institutions plan on utilizing event relationships in their discovery systems?
In the LIDO records I have come across, the most heavily used events are creation and acquisition. Other events, like printing and distributing a print, are handled in a note or edition display statement, leaving the structured event properties unused. This suggests that data is being mapped to LIDO from an object-based CMS.
http://dac-collection.wesleyan.edu/Obj3351 (LIDO download (in really small font at the bottom)<https://mail.ucsd.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=LmRoDFIN1kmtjzHqHOJ__nGuk02L2dEIwtiAxIFZnmiLZwhl8wouqPAUnQx98EVtF8EEVp26gyU.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fdac-collection.wesleyan.edu%2fObj3351>
Is it a matter of time before CMSs move to object-based models? I understand that LIDO is intended for delivering metadata not as the basis for a content management system. Still, it seems that if one intends to deliver data structured in the event conceptual model, at even a medium level of specificity, one must collect the data in a schema that allows mapping into this model. In other words, it will be much easier to export rich LIDO metadata from a CMS that captures the relationships of event information.
While current object-based input forms can capture information related to creation and acquisition, do any of them capture structured data for things like excavation, modification, or restoration? I'm wondering if data input tools have changed to accommodate LIDO's event based approach - do they allow multiple events complete with creator, date, location, materials, etc.? Do most systems still use the conceptual model, "here are all the dates, here are all the locations, here are all the materials" or are they changing to, "an event happened to this object on this date, at this location and these materials were used, another event happened to this object on this date..."? I made a mockup of a simple event-based input form<https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ywI_B6-rTIxvt0vo63ienkYHu3sbvmdXpcncpkWEnFo/edit?usp=sharing>, just to see how it might look.
I see the benefits of LIDO - the theory sounds wonderful, I just need some real examples that demonstrate the benefits of event-based over object-based metadata.
Greg Reser
UC San Diego Library
9500 Gilman Drive, 0175K
La Jolla, CA 92093-0175
Phone: 858.246.0998
Skype: gregreser
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