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Re: Sergei Skirpal and a bad smell

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Karen Upton <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 11 Apr 2018 08:48:30 +0100

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In addition to this, the clips of the aftermath of the chemical weapons attack in Syria is very questionable. I think that it is essential that there is no reaction based on the film until verified by trusted people going in to investigate. The children being forced to use salbutamol inhalers, in a completely ineffective way, do not seem to have any signs if respiratory difficulty or distress. Or any distress before being doused in water. This does not mean there was no attack, but this is clearly a mock up film.
This is a propaganda war first victim being the truth.
 Feels a bit like just before Iraq war from my seat. 
Karen

> On 10 Apr 2018, at 21:35, Julian Bradley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> When a man tells you he knows the exact truth about anything, you may safely infer he is an inexact man - Bertrand Russell
> 
> How credible is it when Ben Wallace, Security Minister, says WE KNOW that NO OTHER COUNTRY had these agents (Novichoks).
> 
> Intelligence may lead us to believe that a country had certain weapons, may even, in some circumstances prove their existence, but how can you be sure that countries do NOT have something?
> 
> Well fact checking / researching to write the next part of this email turned up an article that Iran had synthesized a number of Novichok type agents AND reported this to OPCW (so long as the production and research is for the development of defensive countermeasures this is all allowed.  The work was partly undertaken by scientists at Defense Chemical Research Lab (DCRL), , Karaj, Iran.  The UK was therefore aware that other countries had synthesized Novichoks in the kind of quantities needed for poisoning as opposed to use as WMD.
> 
> http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ezine/1591ca249b2/Iranian-chemists-identify-Russian-chemical-warfare-agents.html?tzcheck=1,1,1,1,1&&tzcheck=1&tzcheck=1&tzcheck=1
> 
> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/rcm.7757
> 
> Questions also remain as to why the Skirpals are still alive as a state applying its resources to this with a program of testing would surely have been able to guarantee the outcome.
> 
> Why would a state reveal, to what would be sure to be world condemnation, a highly secretive programme for the sake of a washed up old spy?
> 
> Malala Yousafzai , the Nobel laureate who also survived an assassination attempt, was not given a new identity,  even for the balance of her childhood.  According to the UK media / govt. Yulia Skirpal was not the intended target.  Why does she need to be hidden and why can she not be visited by her relative from Russia with whom she seemed close, and who _she_  chose to contact?
> 
> https://www.craigmurray.org.uk remains interesting (despite the fact that I suspect I disagree profoundly with his underlying politics).  The failure to show his interview by Kay Burley given so much boring garbage on her broadcast has all the hallmarks of the worst kind of censorship (rather like the lack of and distorted news reporting of Victor Orban's victory in Hungary which gave his government more than 2/3 of the seats in an historically high turnout).
> 
> What is or was the role of France in the investigation of the events in Salisbury?  Why has the media not enquired or publicized anything about this?  Is French involvement, in part responsible for the de facto (though not de jure) presumption of guilt, a feature of the Napoleonic code.
> 
> IF a party is innocent how can anyone use the fact that they can't explain how a crime was committed to find them guilty?
> 
> The smell is getting worse.
> 
> One para from my last email I'll repeat.
> 
> Amongst states with potential motives North Korea and Iran immediately come to mind.  Both have advanced scientific facilities.  North Korea is the ONLY state known to have used a nerve agent internationally ever and while they killed their target it seems to have been done in a very amateurish way using intermediaries.  It's not clear why neither the politicians nor the media have mentioned this when considering "patterns of behaviour".  In any case we know that North Korea clearly has nerve agents while Iran is believed to have conducted research on nerve agents and will likely have anything that Kuntsevich or others ever passed to Syria.
> 
> As before ... just for the record.
> 
> Julian 

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