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Re: Virtual scamming - A QUESTION?

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Phil Teare <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussions by and for dyslexic people <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:28:54 -0000

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It looks like we've finally cracked it.

You think disease/illhealth causes dyslexia. It doesn't.

SO PLEASE STOP CHARGING PEOPLE!

At least until you can prove the rest of the field wrong.

As for the wager and the floor show, I've already explained, but unlike
yourself I don't mind explaining again:
1) Send the terms of your wager to [log in to unmask]
2) Answer the 8 questions I sent some time ago (I can resend if required),
and I'll come see your floor show.

Phil Teare
Artificial Relevance - Extraordinary solutions for extraordinary people!
http://www.Read-e.com
Free phone: 0800 8496760
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Ewing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scamming - A QUESTION?


> Dear Neil,
>
> I completely agree with you. I have not attempted to hide anything.
>
> With the second patient there is clearly a lack of motivation by the child
> although it is still early in the trial.  It is not unusual to find a lack
> of attention by dyslexic children to a trial. We have noted many comments
by
> parents and SENCO's of apathy and lack of self-esteem by dyslexic children
> and this is clearly supported by our past contacts with the Nottingham
> Dyslexia Association.
>
> This is not an overnight 'cure' - firstly we do not offer 'a cure' to
> anything, we improve a person's health - and secondly it takes time to
> address the fundamental health issues. We would expect there to be a
visible
> improvement to the person's health in a short period but that the dyslexic
> condition could take up to or beyond 6 months to be improved. Consider: If
> you were obese how long would it take you to diet and recover a
satisfactory
> weight and health?
>
> Dyslexia treatments are generally addressing the ability of the child to
> learn within their current capability whereas we are addressing the issues
> which are responsible for the dyslexic condition and related symptoms.
>
> In our submission to the Education and Skills committee of HM Government
we
> comment that neurogenesis contributes to memory and learning and that
> learning a motor skill increases the number of synapses per neuron in the
> motor cortex and cerebellum.  This explains why programmes such as DDAT do
> actually offer some improvement but is only one of a number of options.
The
> same applies to other treatment concepts.  Virtual Scanning offers by far
> the most comprehensive concept and should therefore offer by far the best
> results.
>
> Put us to the test. The fact that we are getting such spectacularly good
> results across all areas indicates that we have something which is of
value.
> Please study the articles on the web site www.montague-diagnostics.co.uk
to
> see the results from studies in Russia. We have more articles to support
> these claims.  All participating in the trial will have their health
> improved! There will inevitably be some whose dyslexic condition may not
> improve.
>
> Set up the trial. Will you do it? We will give you every possible support.
>
> The hardest task will be to ensure that the participants will undertake
the
> treatment for the duration of the trial.
>
> Best
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussions by and for dyslexic people
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Neil Alexander-Passe
> Sent: 01 December 2004 10:37
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scamming - A QUESTION?
>
>
> Graham
>
> As it seems from recent email, that you have only treated ONE dyslexic,
and
> SECOND you are working with hasn't shown the same gains, due to their lack
> of co-operation (maybe they haven't felt the treatment was working for
them
> and lost motivation).
>
> Dyslexia research worldwide has shown that there are many types of
dyslexics
> and thus different treatments will suit each type e.g. iren tinted lenses,
> phonological training, multi-sensory therapy, mindmaps etc.
>
> As you have only treated one dyslexic, isn't it rather premature saying
your
> treatment will work with all?
>
> What is needed is a research project with large number of dyslexics before
> marketing your product as a identifications and treatment for all types of
> dyslexics e.g. samples of n=30 of each type: visual, phonological,
auditory,
> deep, acquired, surface  etc would be a good start.
>
> I welcome your comments.
>
> regards
>
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Ewing [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 30 November 2004 22:09
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scamming
>
>
> Dear Phil,
>
> The algorithms are used within the the software.  If you study the article
> you will note (1) that the mathematics of the programme create the
> biomathematical model (2) that Grakov has been able to devise a mechanism
to
> compare the actual model with the biomathematical model and in so doing
> assess the deviations from the bio-mathematical model.  Each medical
> condition has its own unique algorithm as a result of a standardisation
> process. We understand that: He has taken a person with a medical
condition,
> which has been precisely determined by well-accepted medical techniques,
and
> has been able to use the same basic principles to determine the algorithm
> which applies for each medical condition.
>
> If you know the algorithms and they are included within the programme then
> you can determine whether it is present in each diagnosis.
>
> Mere mortals like you and I must accept that a huge amount of knowledge of
> the human physiology and of the inter-relationships between organs and
> functional systems is required to be able to devise such a unique and
> brilliant system.
>
> How can you understand the significance of these explanations unless you
put
> them in context: through a demonstration?
>
> If you have any further questions please list them and I will forward them
> to Grakov although in view of the questions posed in this email I must
refer
> you once again to the web site so that you fully understand this concept
> i.e. in so far as I have been able to explain it to you 'in the face of
your
> onslaught!' I must recommend that you invest the time and effort to
actually
> see the system to understand it and finally put an end to this nonsense.
>
> How can you criticise a system which you have never seen and clearly in
view
> of these questions do not understand?
>
> If you note our literature states that we have treated ONE dyslexic and
have
> had a letter of commendation from the parent of that ONE dyslexic
following
> a dramatic improvement in the young man's reading ability. Please do not
> distort our words!  To be honest we are treating one other at present but
> they have taken TWICE the time to complete the first treatment and so we
> must conclude that they are not taking the issue seriously. I'm afraid
that
> we must have a decent level of cooperation if we are to succeed.
>
> I have just returned from two days in the South of England during which
time
> we have agreed a research project for early 2005, we have demonstrated to
a
> GP who wishes to procure the system, we have satisfactorily demonstrated
to
> a SENCO in a leading college, had business meeting to discuss the future
of
> this project with an eminent member of UK society, and finally gave a
> presentation to one of the most critical pseudo-medical journals in the
> world (- and we are invited to address a symposium of 500 medically
> qualified persons in April 2005 and to give a demo of typically 60
minutes).
> All meetings were completely productive and achieved the objective.
>
> Last week we have submitted a document to the House of Commons, Skills and
> Reading Committee (or whatever it's correct title - it's late now and I'm
> catching up with things after 2-3 days away), which outlines our concerns
> that the government and DoE addresses the means of teaching BUT NOT the
> underlying health of our children which affects their ability to
> concentrate, to absorb information and to learn. With a steady increase in
> childhood obesity due to a wide range of factors which stem from modern
life
> in the UK - and consequently a reduction in their health is it any wonder
> that more and more have learning deficiencies?  We do not have only
healthy
> children and unhealthy children: there is a wide spectrum ranging from the
> very fit and healthy to the more challenged.
>
> We can address these issues.
>
> It's time for you to climb down off your hobby horse and to understand our
> system (well: it's not OUR system - it was developed by Grakov) and our
> mission.  A demonstration will solve your problem. We can assist you to
> achieve better results!
>
> Happy to talk.
>
> Best
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussions by and for dyslexic people
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Phil Teare
> Sent: 28 November 2004 15:01
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scamming
>
>
> I have one last question. I expect, as with all the others, it will remain
> unanswered, and that we will be sent more cryptic half references to
> irrelevant texts, or be told that we have already been given the answer.
>
> IF you are using learning algorithms, with what data have you trained
them?
> They must learn from something? If you have "treated a handful of
> dyslexics", with what data was the first or indeed any of them analysed
> against?
>
> Learning algorithms have to learn in order to be called such. If you have
> not conducted trials, when and how did the algorithm learn?
>
>
> Simple question, simple answer.
>
> Phil Teare
> Artificial Relevance - Extraordinary solutions for extraordinary people!
> http://www.Read-e.com
> Free phone: 0800 8496760
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Ewing" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning
>
>
> > Dear Janet,
> >
> > We receive an interesting journal WDDTY (what the doctors do not tell
you)
> > which is an extremely critical view of the medical profession. It is a
> > highly destructive newsletter and rarely offers anything constructive
> which
> > exasperates me somewhat. Irrespective it provides an excellent number of
> > medical references across the medical profession which is extremely
useful
> > for me.
> >
> > The September 2004 edition vol 15 no6 makes an interesting summary of
> > Learning difficulties and the biochemical connection. It includes a
large
> > number of references from medical journals which review the underlying
> > medical conditions which are held responsible for learning difficulties.
> >
> > Extracts from : The Lancet 1999, Journal of Brain Dys 1990, research by
> Paul
> > Sattock's team in Sunderland, Ethical Hum Sci Serv 1999, Med Hypoth
1981,
> > Prostaglandin Leukotriene Essential Fatty Acids 2000, J Pediatr 1994,
> > Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 1986, The Lancet
1998,
> > article by Simon Dalby-Ball of Nunnykirk School, Autism 1999, J
> > Neurosychology 2003, etc.
> >
> > These are addressing what we are seeking to address using Virtual
Scanning
> > Technology.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Graham Ewing, Montague Diagnostics Limited
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussions by and for dyslexic people
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of The Krugers
> > Sent: 25 November 2004 14:41
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning
> >
> >
> > >The treatment was designed to treat all medical conditions which are of
> > >somatic or psychosomatic basis.  In the same way that dyslexic symptoms
> are
> > >an unlucky side-effect of a medical condition(s) - then you could say
> that
> > >this is a lucky side-effect of this development.
> >
> > Graham, I am afraid I do not understand what you are getting at here.
Are
> > you saying that dyslexic symptoms are a side-effect of a medical
> condition?
> > Or, if the treatment was designed to treat medical conditions are you
> > saying that dyslexia is a medical condition?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Janet
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Graham Ewing" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning
> >
> >
> > > Dear Mike,
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your response.
> > >
> > > Did you receive the articles sent by email yesterday? Please confirm.
> > >
> > > The treatment was designed to treat all medical conditions which are
of
> > > somatic or psychosomatic basis.  In the same way that dyslexic
symptoms
> > are
> > > an unlucky side-effect of a medical condition(s) - then you could say
> that
> > > this is a lucky side-effect of this development.
> > >
> > > How does it effect the genetic material which we pass onto our
children?
> I
> > > do not know of many people who could give a precise answer to this
> > question.
> > > As far as I am aware our bodies have a capability to include changes
to
> > our
> > > genetic profile and this can be both positive and negative although
> > usually
> > > negative. No-one seems to focus upon the positive changes.  I would be
> > happy
> > > for anyone else to make an input in this one.
> > >
> > > I have advised in my first submission to this web site that we have
one
> > > completed case study only and one letter of commendation from the
> parent,
> > a
> > > pharmacist in the Nottingham area.  The parent commented that this was
> the
> > > only treatment which had given a positive response.  I understand that
> the
> > > child was struggling with GCSE's and finally and unexpectedly passed
the
> > > examinations.
> > >
> > > I have never hidden the fact that we need to carry out more studies -
> this
> > > has been highlighted throughout the recent discourse. I would hope
that
> > you
> > > are now interested to take this discussion to a first meeting and
> > > demonstration.
> > >
> > > It is not possible to give a precise answer to the last part i.e which
> > parts
> > > of the dyslexic syndrome will it improve? Indications from our
> colleagues
> > in
> > > Russia are that it is certainly able to improve concentration and IQ
and
> > > this has been supported by one of the case studies listed. This would
be
> > > expected from improving specific elements of the immune system
response.
> > We
> > > would certainly expect to improve sleeping disorders, and other issues
> > such
> > > as behavioural problems which have a biochemical basis - which we
would
> > > expect to have an improvement on a person's reading and calculative
> > > abilities.
> > >
> > > This whole issue raises more and more questions which can only be
> answered
> > > when you receive a demonstration.
> > >
> > > To give an example of how things progress: this afternoon I have an
> > academic
> > > coming to discuss the editing of articles. When he first heard about
it
> he
> > > was sceptical, then we met and he was astonished at the concept so he
> took
> > > me to see another of his excellent contacts who lectures at various
> > > universities including Cambridge, who appears regularly on the BBC as
an
> > > independent academic/medical specialist and who is on the top levels
of
> > > MENSA. We had an excellent afternoon evaluating this technology,
lovely
> > > people, and now we have various projects under discussion with other
> > > specialists and organisations. The more that you get to know about the
> > > subject the more opens up in front of you.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Graham Ewing
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussions by and for dyslexic people
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Michael J Horne
> > > Sent: 25 November 2004 13:43
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [DYSLEXIA] Virtual scanning
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Graham,
> > > Thank you for your reply.
> > > I am not sure that you answered my question! Your reply just seems to
> > > raise further questions for me, such as -
> > > Was this treatment designed with dyslexia in mind or are the benefits
> > > to dyslexics a lucky side effect?
> > > How does it affect the genetic material we pass on to our children?
> > > Why is only one of your nine examples a successful treatment of
> > > dyslexia? What aspects of that teenager's dyslexia were improved?
> > >
> > > Perhaps I should clarify my original question - what parts of the
> > > dyslexic syndrome does the treatment improve, and are there any parts
> > > that it has a negative affect on?
> > >
> > > A short reply would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > regards, Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > Michael J Horne
> > > Email: [log in to unmask]
> > > University of Hull
> >
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