| One of the scholastics - Albertus Magnus, I think - does discuss this | question and observes that it would have been possible, but not | fitting. I think also Bonaventure raises the question, since it goes the point of what soure for the efficacy of this sacrament would be: Christ's passion or his ressurection? (Bonny decides for the former, I seem to remember). A somewhat related problem was the last supper itself: Alexander of Hales asks: did Christ himself confect (conficere) the Eucharist into his own body and blood? Yes, a somewhat extended question of logic, but Alexander takes it as an opportunity to reflect upon the role of signification (signifier and signified, ooh those over-used terms these days!) and real presence in the Eucharist. All these questions also led to some important findings outside of sacramental theology itself: for example, theories of instanteous change, which lead directly into early modern theoretical physics, derive initially from theologians' grappling with transubstantiation in an Aristotelian context. Cheers Jim ===================================================================== Dr James R Ginther Dept. of Theology and Religious Studies University of Leeds Leeds LS2 9JT UK E-mail: [log in to unmask] Phone: +44.113.233.6749 Fax: +44.113.233.3654 -=*=- http://www.leeds.ac.uk/trs/ http://www.leeds.ac.uk/cms/ http://www.leeds.ac.uk/trs/rg **** NEW **** ==================================================================== "First up ther wor nobbut God. An 'e said, "Ee, lad, turn th'bloody light on." -Yorkshire paraphase of Gen. 1.2 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%