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To all I have been watching this debate for the past few days and have a few thoughts/questions relating most to the disabled individual and the social model. (i Why is the standard conception of the individual model of disability seen by academics as 'personal tragedy' connected with words like alone, prejudice, powerless? When I think of the individual I think of free thinking, with a great deal of autonomy (and yes a small degree of societial influence but not as much as society is credited with). Though it is useful for political action when I hear the word collectivism, I think faceless, nameless, mindless and mob like with no autonomy. (ii Why does pain as being as part of disability, go unrecognised? when I am writing about Disability Personal Identity mostly from a philosophical point of view and using a Phenomenological perspective pain is an important part of disability. No matter how much you treat disability as social you will, in my view have to talk about the body and maybe pain. And yet the body is absent from nearly all discourse on disability. Even if you view disability as socially created, you will have to talk about the body sooner or later, in my view if only to explain how it society acted upon it, what mechanism, appartus were used? Thank you for you time. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am no doubt not the only one who writes to have no face...Do not ask to me who I am and do not ask me to remain the same. Leave it to the police and bureaucrats to keep our papers in order. Spare us our morality when we write" - Michel Foucault %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%