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The message below is another manifestation of racism and xenophobia directed at Muslim, Bosnians and Turks alike. Highly selective and biased historical accounts are used to promote racist ideologies. I am ashamed of the way in which several participants express their racist and xenophobic views in this platform of eauropean sociology. I initially wanted to correct and explain several historical and political error in the message below. However, as I read it through I realised that I am not to apologise for someone else's errors of judgement and racist intentions. Best regards, Mustafa Ozbilgin On Wed, 12 May 1999, Nikos Gousgounis wrote:> > Dear Slobodanka > > I read your comments on the Nato conference ( that is a ridiculus > case the same as the gala of Nato birthday). Do you really mean it when > you say that Yugoslavs from the opposition are not invited ? In other words > DO YOU STILL TRUST THESE BLOODY CRIMINALS and you want > to participate in their conferences ? What is your hope for the future, > that once Milocevic will be off, the Serbian Nation will be salvated and > Mr Clinton will say SORRY ? > > I am a Greek sociologist and I am really perplexed about the recent crisis. > What is really happening in Beograd ? I have been in your city many times > mostly in the decade 1970-80 and people looked happy and joyful. Then > came Milocevic and the Bosnia war. Then you say that the 3/4 of Belgradians > formed the opposition every day in the roads. That was clear on TV but the > fact is that at the time Americans rather estimated Milocevic as a stability > factor > useful for signing the Daiton traity. Then all was reinversed upside down. M > became > the bad guy for Nato and bombings started. Then you don't know whom to blame > for that. > > Well, my aspects are the following ( as a neighboring outsider) : > > 1/ It was a terrible mistake to trust Americans even 2 years ago while > demonstrating > in the streets against M with American and EU flags. These states are not to be > trusted because they were opposant to Serbs not OUT OF THE SERBIAN > POLITICAL REGIME BUT BECAUSE THEY PREFERED TO ENFORCE > CROACIANS AND MUSULMANS. > That was a German idea influencing strongly EU. The American innovation > concerns > the influence on Muslims. The same is with Greece and Turkey for the last 25 > years. Both belong to Nato but US is favorable to Turks whatever the Greek > gorvement might be ( Dictature put by US in 1974 when Cyprus was massacred > with 170.000 refugees) then Conservative goverments , then Socialists. > > 2/ Must be some important minerals in Kosovo ( URANIUM) otherwise it's no > explained why they bomb with such rage even villages killing Albanians too. > All they want is not to have important rulers in that region and the > solution of > autonomy seemed good since an Albanian under their orders ( managed by paid > killers such as UCK) WILL MAKE THEIR EASY SERVANTS. > > 3/ Draskovits and the rest of opposition may think that they are democratic and > all that, but under present circumstances all that is NAIVE because the > important now is WHO CAN MANAGE HIS POWER BETTER AND > WHO KNOWS TO PLAY BETTER CHESS. The ideological questions are > off the record when you get bombs over your heads. THERE IS NO HOPE THAT > EUROPEANS ( MOSTLY ENGLISH) AND AMERICANS WILL > SYMPATHISE BETTER SERBS after EXTERMINATING MILOCEVITS. > > YOU MUST BE BABY- NAIVE TO HOPE THAT. Milocevic was a good > pretext to create all this scenery, but their fault was that waited that all the > opposant should rebel against M the second day of bombings. This did not > happen and you know the reasons beter than me. Please don;t say that you > wanted to scream VIVA NATO and official propaganda did not let you. > In the contrary there was a solidarity and this is the strong point of the > Serbian > people that makes the difference with other EU nations. That proves thast you > have more common points with M than with NATO even this very moment. > You may be internationalist in ideology but when the STRONG BOSS > DON'T LET YOU BE AS YOU WISH THEN YOU MUST PAY HIM > WITH SCORN AND even HATE. What do you like from US ? Their freedom > or the lies of its leaders ? They create news like films of Holywood. CNN IS A > SMALL HOLLYWOD.But life is not Titanic nor Disneyland . French sociologists > ( Baudrillard ) had said in 1991 that probably the Gulf war was a video game > and > nothing more. Bourdieu believes from early eighties that L'OPINION PUBLIQUE > N'EXISTE PAS. IT IS FABRICATED. So what do you want from US ? Money > from Wall street ? Are you jealous for their wealth ? But they spend these > money > as idiots for expensive clothes , restos and psychanalysts. Serbian and > Bosnian gypsies > are much more happier. KASTURICA WAS RIGHT WHEN LEAVING THE US > AFTER TURNING HIS WORST FILM ARIZONA ..... But "Underground" is > YOUR CULTURE and you must be proud of that. > > 4/ In Greece simple people like Serbs as brave heroes with not having idea what > M is doing or did against Albanians. In my opinion, he killed 2000 Albanians > totally. But Albanians killed 1000 Serbs too. What is that idiocy of ethnic > cleansing > compared with Rwanda or Sudan ? American satellites could view even a man > shaving himself , so why not showing this ethno cleansing in the CNN ? > > DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT HAPPENED ? > > ARE YOU SO INTERNATIONALIST THAT YOU NEED AMERICANS > OR NATO TO HELP YOU TO GET RID OF M ? > > If you are, you have better to migrate to the US or Canada, but not be > anymore proud of speaking Sebian and listening Serb music. > > Maybe you have more common things with M than you name meaning freedom > and you did never consider it. Think it again. > > As for me I feel ashamed to belong in UN and having been paid for > some European research programmes against social exclusion and xenophobia. > EU is hypocrite especially when paying others for things it never believed. > Maybe EU will be absorbed by the new NATO . Mr Blair is hardly working > on this direction. > > What makes a nation important is not to imitate MTV or American cultural > rabbish ( in music, language, films, fashion, lifestyle etc) but rather its > own way to the future and Serbia had proved in the near past that it had > its way. Yugoslavia also had its social and financial way of living in dignity > and not as a slave of Russians or Americans. We, Greeks admired Yugoslavia > of being so independent and autonomous state even during the cold war. > Now the prize was to divide it in pieces ? If Croats never wanted to repeat > the Tito experimentation of living in the same federation with poor Macedonians > their praise will be to become the poor relatives of Austrians and German. > Soon they will forget Croatianand will speak German. Do you envy them ? > Where is their dignity ? Of course they are pro nationalist fascists but they > are IDIOT FASCISTS THE SAME AS HUNGARIANS RUNNING AFTER > THE STRONGS OF THE EART THE SAME AS MY DOG RUNNING AFTER > ME EVEN IF I NEVER ENCOURAGE IT. Albanians are even worst. > They are eternal beggars and stealers with no gratitude. Even gypsies steal > with > style. Albanians no. When you pay an Albanian in Greece as illegal worker > he will come next day to steal YOU and not another who did not pay him. > THEY ARE ETHNICALLY CRAZY. They became Muslim just not tobe > taxed by Turks and the half of them surveilled the other half as spies. > > But Serbs were never as that. You never run after Byzantines, or Turks > or Austrohungarian or German or Russian why to run after EU or US ? > > > > Sorry for the lenght of my letter , anyway I am a stranger that maybe you > cannot trust, I promise you not the consumer paradise and the Wall street > wealth but only sorrow and stress coming out of national dignity and bravery. > I did not mention Ortodoxy and all that religious stuff since I don't believe > on that but sometimes people do when bombs are on their heads, but anyway... > it disd not happen to us here, maybe it will be Greece's turn next year. > > > > WHEN ONE IS BRAVE > HE IS BRAVE FOR HIMSELF > AND NOT FOR ANY PARTICULAR LEADER > > Socrates taught : KNOW YOURSELF AND BE THE LEADER OF YOURSELF > > Just remember that and if you wish you may respond to me. > > Regards > > > Nikos Gousgounis > Ph.D. Social Anthropologist and Sociologist of Sorbonne University. > working in Athens. > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%