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HE is responsible of course... These are tragic cases and, yes, I blame the withdrawal of state support. But at what level of causation are you talking about? ---------- > From: Mairian Corker <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Crime Victims With Disabilities > Date: 17 May 1999 14:01 > > No Michael, not reality check, at least not the kind of reality you're > talking which reflects the usual stereotypes. More a case of double > standards, and widely and prejudicially reported in the national/disability > press last year. If the disabled man was persuaded to give up the > medication which controlled his mental illness because 'God could answer > all his problems' AND he fell through a loophole in Community Care > legislation because the various services argued about who was responsible > for him to the extent that no-one took responsibility, who exactly is > responsible for his 'diminished responsibility' whilst committing murder - > what happened to laws about aiding and abetting? Whether or not we believe > that murder is always wrong, whatever the circumstances, it is clear that > the law interprets situations like this in different ways from an > international perspective. What interests me is that there also ought to be > a social model perspective on this because, surely its a 'system failure'? > Your view would presumably be 'so what, as the guy 'responsible' has been > locked up for life' and so maybe it is of no interest to you that he is > locked up in a place where no-one can communicate with him (he's deaf and > uses sign language) while the system continues to breed disease. > Personally, I think the law is an ass! > > Best wishes > > > Mairian > > > >Sorry? You wrote 'I'd like to see some parallel discussion of the > > > >>concepts of 'crime victim,' because in this case, all the press (including > > > >>the disability press) focused on the murder 'victim' and 'blamed' the > > > >>disabled man.' > >Did not the disabled man actually kill the murder victim? > >Time for a reality check on your part methinks! > > > >---------- > >> From: Devva Kasnitz <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask] > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: Crime Victims With Disabilities > >> Date: 16 May 1999 21:33 > >> > >> Let's have an informal talk about this at SDS! > >> > >> > >> devva > >> > >> > >> At 10:07 AM 5/15/99 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> >Dona wrote about the 'Crime victims with disabilities act.' I'm > >currently > >> > >> >writing a paper about mental illness, disability and > >institutionalisation. > >> > >> >One of the 'cases' I look at involves a disabled person who, because of > >> > >> >widespread 'system failure' ended up committing a serious crime for > >which > >> > >> >he was institutionalised in a secure mental hospital for life. If Dona's > >> > >> >post sparks a discussion, I'd like to see some parallel discussion of > >the > >> > >> >concepts of 'crime victim,' because in this case, all the press > >(including > >> > >> >the disability press) focused on the murder 'victim' and 'blamed' the > >> > >> >disabled man. In fact the disability press were worse in this respect. > >> > >> >Comments please > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Best > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Mairian > >> > >> > > >> > >> ><<snip> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>Many of you have followed the progress of U.S. Senate Bill 1976 "Crime > >> > >> >>Victims with Disabilities Awareness Act" (to see the full Bill, go to > >> > >> >>http://thomas.loc.gov and search the 105th Congress, then SB 1976). > >This > >> > >> >>Bill, signed by President Clinton in 1998, mandated the first-ever > >national > >> > >> >>study of crime victims with disabilities, and originally asked for > >$850,000 > >> > >> >>to complete the research (and other work mandated by the Bill).... > >> > >> > > >> > >> >********* > >> > >> > > >> > >> >"To understand what I am doing, you need a third eye" > >> > >> > > >> > >> >********* > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Mairian Corker > >> > >> >Senior Research Fellow in Deaf and Disability Studies > >> > >> >University of Central Lancashire > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Postal Address: > >> > >> >111 Balfour Road > >> > >> >Highbury > >> > >> >London N5 2HE > >> > >> >U.K. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Minicom/TTY +44 [0]171 359 8085 > >> > >> >Fax +44 [0]870 0553967 > >> > >> >Typetalk (voice) +44 [0]800 515152 (and ask for minicom/TTY number) > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ><bold><color><param>8080,0000,8080</param>--------------------------------- - > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> </color><color><param>0000,8080,8080</param>Devva Kasnitz, PhD > >> > >> Research Director, > >> > >> Research and Training Center > >> > >> on Independent Living and Disability Policy > >> > >> World Institute on Disability > >> > >> 510 16 Street, Suite #100 > >> > >> Oakland, CA 94612-1500 > >> > >> > >> Voice: 510-251-4348 > >> > >> TTY: 510-208-9493 > >> > >> FAX: 510-208-9494 > >> > >> > >> email: [log in to unmask] > >> > >> > >> Home: > >> > >> 2345 7th St > >> > >> Berkeley, CA 94710 > >> > >> 510-549-1865 > >> > >> > >> [log in to unmask] > >> > >> > ></color><color><param>8080,0000,8080</param>------------------------------- - > >----------------------------------------------------------------------</col o > >r></bold> > > > ********* > > "To understand what I am doing, you need a third eye" > > ********* > > Mairian Corker > Senior Research Fellow in Deaf and Disability Studies > University of Central Lancashire > > Postal Address: > 111 Balfour Road > Highbury > London N5 2HE > U.K. > > Minicom/TTY +44 [0]171 359 8085 > Fax +44 [0]870 0553967 > Typetalk (voice) +44 [0]800 515152 (and ask for minicom/TTY number) > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%