At 6:47 PM +0100 5/22/99, Dr Joe Lee asked about cells of the type M | H2SO4 | Cu in which M is an active metal such as Zn, for which an EMF of 0.93 V was obtained with emission of hydrogen observed at the Zn electrode only. The cell reaction here is amost certainly Zn + Cu++ --> Cu + Zn++ The hydrogen bubbles are due to direct attack of the acid on the zinc and have nothing to do with the electrochemistry other than to help raise the zinc ion concentration. The Cu++ ions are also formed by direct attack of H+, but of course build up to only a very small concentration owing to the greater stability of reduced copper. I presume that the small extent of this reaction accounts for the lack of gas bubbles at the copper electrode. (Recall that even in neutral solution, enough Cu++ dissolves to initiate corrosion at the point where copper and steel pipes are joined.) Taking [Zn++] = 0.1M and [Cu++] = 1E-8 M as guesstimates, the potential seems to work out to about what was observed. I doubt that this cell would be capable of delivering much current, owing to the small value of [Cu++] and to the slow kinetics of H2 discharge on copper. Joe also poses a question that I always ask my students: what happens when a term in the denominator of the Nernst equation is zero? Does the infinite voltage this implies mean that you are likely to get electrocuted when you stir your tea with a metallic spoon? The answer to this has two parts. 1) Assume that only one atom of M dissolves in a litre of water, making [M++] roughly 1E-24 M. Substituting this into the Nernst equation and taking the log should relieve any fear. 2) Any electrons liberated in such small numbers would get lost in the plumbing; you would not have a true equilibrium situation and the Nernst Equation would not have much meaning. Electrochemists say that such an electrode is "unpoised". I'm not sure what the practical lower limit for poising is, but my guess would be around 1E-10 to 1E-8M. For a slghtly unconventional view of electrode potentials and their use, and a view that in my opinion is far clearer than that presented in conventional textbooks, you might wish to look at http://www.sfu.ca/chemcai/AQCHEM/FallElect.html. A more in-depth treatment of elementary electrochemistry will be found in the Acrobat document at http://www.sfu.ca/chemcai/pdf/c1xElchem.pdf . -- Steve Lower - Simon Fraser University - [log in to unmask] ChemCAI Teacher resources Web page: http://www.sfu.ca/chemcai/ Chem1 Instructional Software for General Chemistry: http://www.chem1.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%