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Yes of course I agree with Peter. There is no pure objective view, no "view from nowhere". Intelligence tests are highly unreliable I am just relaying an experience. Michael On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:48:29 -0000 Peter Irons <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Unfortunately( if that is an appropriate term) there are often references to > IQ as being an objective value which is fixed for an individual. I also > believe that usually what is happening is a tendency to attempt to give an > objective value to what is essentially a subjective assessment of > capability( often by the collation of a series of indices hence creating a > 'number'. But then since it is almost impossible to exactly define any idea > all 'objecivity' is not as objective as it appears. Things are 'fuzzy', > especially when you look closely at them. > People always try and ascribe objectivity to their evaluations. If these > 'objective values' are the best available then ok. but if their objective > component is known to be based on fraud, as in the case of the Burtian fraud > then surely we should not use them. > > Peter Irons > > -----Original Message----- > From: homan <[log in to unmask]> > To: Peter Irons <[log in to unmask]>; > [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 13 February 1999 21:53 > Subject: Re: Experience of I.Q Tests > > > >Good morning all, > > > >I made a comment on intelleigence and measuring intelligence before. To > >me intelligence is the capacity to turn data into information, and then > >being able to correlate this information as needed to lead to creative > >and original development and thought. The elements are largely > >subjective, and hence intelligence is less of an entity with dimentions > >and mass, than a concept. Measuring it is like quantifying the merit of > >a painting the beauty of a poem, or the bouquet of a wine. The tools are > >mere blunt digital clubs in a complex analogue world. > > > >Amen > > > >rgds John > > > >Peter Irons wrote: > >> > >> Not how do you measure 'it' but how do you measure 'them' and how many > >> 'them' should be measured. > >> > >> Peter Irons > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: M.G.Peckitt <[log in to unmask]> > >> To: [log in to unmask] > <[log in to unmask]> > >> Date: 13 February 1999 10:59 > >> Subject: Experience of I.Q Tests > >> > >> >To all > >> > > >> >I would like to relate my experience as being the subject > >> >of an I.Q Test, I have seeen the subject been talked about a > >> >bit. > >> > > >> > > >> >When I was 14 to decide what benefits I could have when > >> >taking my GCSE's the school brought in the Councils's > >> >Educational Psychologist. I was tested using the Weschler > >> >Intelligence test for children. I scored 70 which is "low > >> >average", the average bod gets 90. I have according to > >> >this test visual-spatial difficulties though a high verbal > >> >reasoning, though one lower than my classmates. > >> > > >> >In this test is in many ways beneficial, it helped me get a > >> >computer, and extra time for GCSE's, A Levels, and > >> >University exams (I study Philosophy). If the test was not > >> >taken I would not be in University today with hopes of > >> >doing an MA in Philosophy. > >> > > >> >As for my attitude towards the the test, well I take a > >> >pragmatic attitude towards it, it serves a purpose - > >> >computer etc. When I studied Psychology I learnt this > >> >quote:- > >> > > >> >"I.Q test measure what I.Q are made to measure" - A.R.Luria > >> > > >> >Also Mr.Weschler the creator of the test has admitted in > >> >books written by him that any intelliegence test is > >> >incomplete because it cannot be a "working" test meaning it > >> >cannot make allowances for learning and the way > >> >intelligence can seem to grow through this, I know far more > >> >now then I did when I was 14. If any model of > >> >intelligence seems promisings it is Gardner's "Multiple > >> >Intelligences" but how does one create a psychometric test > >> >to test it. Has one been created? > >> > > >> >Michael > >> > > >> > > >> >---------------------- > >> >M.G.Peckitt > >> >[log in to unmask] > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >-- > >[InternetShortcut] > >URL=http://proxy.networx.com.au/ > > > > > ---------------------- M.G.Peckitt [log in to unmask] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%