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Could you post the references (or better still the abstracts)??? Thanks, Simon Simon Carley SpR in Emergency Medicine Hope Hospital Salford England [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Meek, Steve <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Date: 02 February 1999 14:43 Subject: traumatic pneumothoraces >Hello > >Do any list members treat small traumatic pneumothoraces expectantly? >(observe, no chest drain). Graham Johnson and John Knottenbelt's papers >suggest this is safe but what is missing is how long to observe for - 12 >hours? The latter's paper from Cape Town suggests chest drains can be >removed as soon as bubbling stops and x ray shows the lung is inflated... >any comments? Clearly an obs ward and 24 hour on site middle grade cover are >prerequisites > >Steve Meek > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%