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Dear listmembers, At George's suggestion, I have just emerged from my virtual mail-limbo to see if anyone can help me further with my continued pondering about the Holy Innocents. I have in the past received very helpful responses from a.o. Bonnie Blackburn and Graham Jones with regard to superstition surrounding Childermass and hope that I this may again elicit helpful responses. I am interested to find out more about the actual cult of the Holy Innocents. Curiously, notwithstanding the potential abundance of relics (one Middle-English poet refers to many thousands of massacred Innocents!), very few churches appear to have been dedicated to them nor do I know much about veneration of their relics, apart from one 'whole Innocent' apparently given to the franciscan house at Paris by Louis XI. Another aspect is the idea that the Holy Innocents seem to have been considered as protomartyrs; can anyone help me with more references about this, please? Any help would be greatly appreciated, and acknowledged. Although it may be rather rude to barge in like this after more than a year's absence, may I wish everyone a happy Shrove Tuesday tomorrow and make the following suggestions for pancakes: try them with melted cheese on top, or with thin fried bacon and syrup (the combination works, honest!). A more sinful suggestion might be to soak sultanas in rum overnight and mix them, with sliced apple and honey, through the batter; serve with cream, if you dare! Yours, Sophie Oosterwijk Department of the History of Art University of Leicester e-mail: [log in to unmask] %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%