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Steven, the misunderstandings deepen - if I was so desperate to hide the rest of these reviews why did I provide the URL's for these reviews? My point is simply that S and B's central charge is that these philosophers get their facts wrong. The reviewers both point out that S and B get their own facts wrong - both culturally and on the history of science and its current practices. After this, I just think that any other points are fairly mute. As for your other points, good grief...all I can say is that you begin with a comment on Ted's "balanced and searching analysis of Deleuze".... had he even read Deleuze at all? He doesn't seem to and good luck to him if he never does. At least I've read some of S and B (despite Ted's constant charge that I haven't read any of it). I have already acknowledged that many of these philosophers make scientific errors, etc. etc etc ..In any case, I give up.... farewell and have fun, Andrew -- "I thought I had reached port; but I seemed to be cast back again into the open sea" (Deleuze and Guattari, after Leibniz) Dr Andrew Murphie - Lecturer Media and Communication Studies, Macquarie University, Sydney, 2109 fax:612 98508240 tlf:612 98508761 email:[log in to unmask] http://www.mcs.mq.edu.au/staff/andrew/amurphie.html %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%