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At 10:11 AM 07/09/99 -0600, Steve Bissell wrote: snip >"Respect for life" >does not, again IMO, mean "leave it alone," it means knowing your >ecological/evolutionary relationship and living as much as possible within >those constraints. McLeod replied: "With this I agree. As part of nature, humans, like all other living entities impact the environment in a variety of ways. But I fail to see how killing for the thrill of killing is within these contraints. I don't see how this embeds one in nature, establishes or re-establishes some connection with nature." Bissell further:>My intentions and frame of reference are of extreme >importance, and my use of the animal for survival is secondary. McLeod: "If I make the decision to kill an animal, why it's done as well as how (intention and frame of reference) it's done should be primary. " Bissell: agreed. Killing for the "thrill of killing" is wrong under all circumstances. In a little of 35 years in the wildlife business I'm met a few, but very few, hunters who enjoyed killing in the sense you are using it. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%