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Note also that although Cistercians start from the Rule of St Benedict (indeed they were invented on the grounds that the rest of us were not doing that), they are not part of the Benedictine Confederation, which is the umbrella organisation dating from about 1880/90 under a Primate (not a General) in Rome: this includes all *black* Benedictines (there are a few exceptions) ie OSB, but not the *white* ones, ie OCist. So there is no reason why they should take any notice of the Thesaurus if they do not want to. On the other hand, liturgical ideas are far from copyright.... a.c. Ampleforth Abbey, York [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Stan Metheny <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Date: 11 December 1998 04:01 Subject: Re: Collect for Prime - 1 >>On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 Patrick Nugent <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>>The _Thesaurus Liturgiae Horarum Monasticae_ was issued by the Abbot >>>Primate for the entire Benedictine Confederation in 1977. Basically, >it >>>is a guide for the hours in Monastic houses and offers a theology of >the >>>monastic office, four versions of psalters, common texts for the >>>psalters and proper texts for feasts. >> >>Many thanks. Can you tell me, to Cistercians also use this, or do they >>have their own, or does each monastery work with resources more or less >of >>their own choosing? > >Apologies for the incomplete note. It would appear that I hit the wrong >button (send vs. save draft) in the previous note without finishing it. > I had intended to add that what I can recall of the current >Cistercian guidelines is rather vague. They say that each community >should observe the hours in a manner that is consistent with Cistercian >tradition and monastic life and induces the full participation of the >brothers, or words to that effect. Obviously, the _Thesaurus_ is known >and available, but there appears to be wide latitude for each house to >adapt the framework of the hours to its situation. (A marked difference >from the model of 50 years ago!) > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%