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Denis, I think you are on to something here. Perhaps, given all the other demands on our time we could possibly submit much shorter papers for discussion (than in a traditional academic conference) -- perhaps even something that would only take five or ten minutes to deliver verbally, something that was suggestive rather than definitive. For example there was a poem in last weekend' Independent about gardens which suggests the tensions between order and chaos -- the garden is the voice of the poem and asks the gardener to leave its chaos and `overgrown-ness' alone. Something like this would be a good point of entry to some of the discussions we've had about `nature' and order. Also, something like this would encourage discussion, which presumably we would want to focus on anyway. Count me in. regards rhys evans School For Policy Studies U. of Bristol %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%