I have dealt with CLSFF on a few occasions and can offer this advice in response to your questions. 1. The strength of the CLSFF can be specified to whatever your project requirements are. Strengths in the range of 50 to 150 psi are commonly specified for piping backfill, so that the material can still be excavated if need be. In a foundation backfill situation, you need to specify the strength necessary to prevent shear failure in the CLSFF. 2. The compressibility of CLSFF is substantially less than most soil materials as long as the applied stresses stay well below the failure stress of the CLSFF. A compacted sand would have an elastic modulus in the range of 50,000 psi. In comparison, if you assume a weight of 100pcf and a strength of 100 psi for a CLSFF and plug those numbers into the ACI formula for concrete elastic modulus, you get 330,000 psi. 3. Since CLSFF is an engineered material that is proportioned and mixed in the same manner as regular structural concrete, you should expect the same degree of uniformity. If your design depends on a certain strength, I strongly suggest that you have the design mix tested prior to use at a testing laboratory and then have mortar cubes (as opposed to regular concrete cylinders) of the material taken in the field for lab curing and testing. 4.I would expect the variability of the CLSFF properties to be low as long as you are providing the proper QA/QC testing. 5. I don't think that you should be considering the material to be soil-like. It is a cementitious material and should be evaluated like structural concrete, just much weaker. Effective stresses would be inappropriate in my opinion. If you do a search on the web for controlled low strength flowable fill, you will find concrete companies are really pushing this material and some of them have good data for your reference. They like the material since its another chance for them to sell their products. Contractors like it since its easy for them to use, pour it in and let it set. I feel that CLSFF is a preferable alternative to other pipe bedding materials when you are concerned about seepage along a buried pipeline. It may even completely substitute for seepage cutoffs if the length of the piping is great enough. I hope this is of use to you. Martin Brungard, PE Woodward Clyde Tallahassee, FL ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Flowable fill, self compacting concrete, etc Author: "Bleakney; Michael (DOT/STR)" <[log in to unmask]> at Internet Date: 9/25/98 11:41 AM Have any list members had experience with the material variously known as flowable fill, self compacting concrete, etc? I am considering its use as a structural fill material beneath a shallow foundation. The thickness of fill required is such that a compacted soil/aggregate fill will permit excessive settlement. The material would be seasonally submerged. The sort of things I would like to know about this material are: 1. What range of strengths can be expected? 2. What range of compressibility properties can be expected (elastic modulus, subgrade modulus, etc.)? 3. How difficult are these properties to predict and control? 4. Is the variability of these properties very high? 5. For strength and stability considerations, is it best to consider effective stress, drained, behaviour; total stress, undrained, behaviour; or ????? Or should it be considered a soil, or soil-like, at all? Any suggestions, or experiences, would be appreciated. Michael R. Bleakney Geotechnical Engineer New Brunswick Department of Transportation Structures & Materials Branch PO Box 6000 FREDERICTON, NB E3B 5H1 CANADA Tel: (506) 453-2674 Fax: (506) 457-6714 E-mail: [log in to unmask]