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well we can of course agree not to, I too have little love for the language of mere trifle for its own sake, though am unsure re: what they are quite, yes it's nice when something durable endures, it tends to do so (you suggest) because it's durable, is so because referring to or embodying enduring concerns (truth/beauty & so on), much duty due to durability it would seem, I wonder where this actually gets us or rather -pushes- us? I do not wish to be pushed, wish to ---- push %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%