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First of all, before I attempt to answer Mary's query, I must confess to being one of the dormant members of the list since I joined a couple of months ago, so I should really introduce myself briefly. I work on 16th and 17th century Italian religious literature - specifically the various genres which went to make up `Historia sacra' including: saints' lives, ecclesiastical histories (local, regional and universal) and the liturgical service books. My book-length study of the subject is called LITURGY, SANCTITY AND HISTORY IN TRIDENTINE ITALY: PIETRO MARIA CAMPI AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE PARTICULAR (Cambridge UP, Cambridge, 1995). Those interested who have not got the time or inclination to sample the whole thing might like to read the five-page summary of it given by D. Fenlon in the April 1997 issue of THE CATHOLIC HISTORICAL REVIEW under the title: `Rewiring the circuit: Campi's Reformation'. As an extension of my interest in how people represent the past to themselves I am also interested in the area of Public history and heritage and currently run a project called HERITAGE STUDIES AS APPLIED HISTORY (www.york.ac.uk/depts/hist/heritage/heritage.htm. There is also an email discussion group at [log in to unmask]) the international (and specifically Italian) dimension of which I am keen to develop. Returning to Mary's query. The obvious place to start, if you know the name of the peer and the approximate date/year when this exchange might have happened is HANSARD - the official verbatim record of parliamentary debates in both houses. Finding such a passage manually would be like trying to locate a needle in the proverbial haystack but if it is available on CD-Rom then the keyword search facility would make things much simpler. Unfortunately I do not know whether it is available in this format. So I might have raised your hopes unjustifiably, Mary. Good luck! On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, MARY K. REFLING wrote: > I need help with an anecdote from the annals of the House of Lords. I > heard it from a linguistics professor years back but don't remember the > details. > > Two members of parliament were engaged in a debate during which the first > insulted the second in a particularly vicious manner, and the second > demanded (or the first was ordered to give) an apology. The apology went > like this: > > "I called the Right Honorable Lord So-and-So a liar it is true and I am > sorry for it. And the Right Honorable Lord So-and-So may punctuate as he > pleases." > > Do any of you have any idea where I might find a record of this anecdote > and who the individuals involved were? > > Since there are a lot of members of the UK on this list, I thought it > might be a good place to ask. > > Thanks. > > Mary Refling > Department of Italian > Columbia University > New York, NY 10027 > [log in to unmask] > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%