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Otfried, I'm in a bit of a rush. Going to Oxford tomorrow, with lecture just about completed. But the provincial council of Arles (1263?) was called by an Archbishop who (as I recall) served on the earlier papal commission; I had no response to a query I posed to the crusaders about him--he went out to the Holy Land. Anyway (it is all in Mansi, *Sac. Concil*), the condemnation is more sweeping than previously, but it was only a provincial council. My interest was the possible connection with 1260-61 and the flagellant movement. Gary Dickson University of Edinburgh %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%