From: Peter Graham, Rutgers University Libraries Here are some comments on the revised, 2/21, Qualifiers document of Jon K and Martin H, which looks better and better. 1. Contemporary ID information: for author, publisher, contributor, etc. I continue to think that these are ephemeral and should be reserved for a different element, and would be interested in hearing how a later version of DC would allow them to be moved. If the DC is for "intrinsic" information, this information seems extrinsic. (Author name is intrinsic; this week's address is not. As we used to say in the library biz, "the future is longer than the past.") Even if we don't change it now, I think the terminology of "HomePhone" or "HomePostal" could do with a change. "Personal" perhaps? In particular I'm not sure what a "home" email address is, since one can use it from anywhere. The whole terminology of Phone, Fax, HomePhone, has a smell of informal definitions about it to me. "Primary" and "alternate" or "secondary" could make more sense and fewer judgements. 2. Dates--and I'm not talking format here, but content. a. The DATE element under Type speaks of "the resource", but this is there ambiguously defined. What is the difference between "the resource" and "current form of the resource"? What is meant by "first created"? What is the difference betrween "current form" date and the "date on which the resource was last modified"? b. In my mind in all this is the use of DC to describe artifactual materials, what we used to call books. In this context, the SOURCE element in an earlier version of January had several additional date specifying fields, as I recall. Consider the case: At Rutgers we have an 1856 broadside we intend to digitize. We want it to be accessible in searching terms in terms of its originary date, not the date of the networked image resource. At the moment the SOURCE and DATE fields don't seem to allow useful specification of these matters. 3. IDENTIFIER: The ISBN is notoriously not dependable as a unique identifier, as it is publisher assigned with all sorts of errors and multiple assignments. Does this matter to our thinking? It would be no worse to search on it as a DC element than in MARC records, however. (The ISSN is in somewhat better shape as it is agency assigned.) 4. IDENTIFIER--PRIMARY VERSION: Who decides what is primary? Would this be used to refer to an artifactual version of the resource? (Only if this is a separate DC metarecord, I assume.) But in what terms is "primary" meant--or is this to be left to localoption? ("The primary version that we got from the vendor is on our main server; the copy is on our mirror site.") Do changes in format affect the canonicity? "This is the WP6.0 version of the WP4.0 document, and is now the canonical version.") Does this kind of definition matter at this point? 5. AUTHENTICITY / INTEGRITY: I'm not sure this is intrinsic or extrinsic, but needs to be dealt with when people want to be sure they are getting what they want (which is why I've put this here after the canonicity mention.) I would think the RELATION element might have an entry that allows reference to a validation file, or a reference location for an authentication link. Needs to be somewhere, and it's more intrinsic than rights, though less intrinsic than subject, perhaps. 6. Inconsistent Relation Type Specs: In evaluating the Type specs I mentally create a sentence, which has "this resource" as the subject and the "type" given as the predicate, with the resource being pointed to as the object of the sentence. Doing this uncovers an inconsistency of use. The first 5 (IsParentOf, etc.) describe the resource being metadescribed. The next 5 only make sense if the related resource is being described as the subject of the sentence (IsRevisionHistoryFor, etc.). The final one (IsDataFor) is at the moment uninterpretable by me. I would urge a consistency of syntax here. In fact this document is an enormous help. Onward! --pg Peter Graham [log in to unmask] Rutgers University Libraries 169 College Ave., New Brunswick, NJ 08903 (908)445-5908; fax(908)445-5888 <URL:http://aultnis.rutgers.edu/pghome.html>