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pj skelt said backchannel <<Umm, no the Mottram conference is that very day, Friday 19 September.... The Bushathon takes place after the conference, not before it. You knew this really ! >> yes Peterjon and I am a prat and i am very sorry for some reason i cannot get my head around this through it might be a possibility like that cook in chaucer you are very patient with me i hate winnie the pooh so much that i have decided to stop making references to the honey jar being on my head do you know i was once efficient honest at work anyway i shall copy this to the britpo lot so they dont get confused ha! lawrence, sighingly %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%