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<<Well the roll call of the Noble speaks for itself>> yes it does look at the names of EVERYONE who has one the nobel prize i thought i made this point way back but i cant find it now - i meant to - the example i chose was from Sweden - that August Strindberg didnt get the NP and Selma Lagerlof - cuppla dots over that o please - did... That I know her name is largely the oddity of my self education... there may well be others who know her and i am not saying that she is no good, far from it, but AS is the name wch lasts world wide compared to hers and rightly i think - if i were to apply great to writers and i am trying not to then he wld get it from me but with a lot of doubt too but that was an example - there are many odd names on the nobel list... maybe they are getting better at the selection - but can we be sure - i rate heaney far higher than hughes but but but there's a dunbar poem - it's the one where he refrains timor mortis conturbat me and theres a kind of pantheon as i remember - gower and the gawain as well as chaucer and i cant remember who else - lydgate perhaps - and while those names hold up the pecking order has and is shifting these categories are subjective especially if we allow subjectivity to cultures as well as individuals Lawrence %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%