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agree with Ken - speaking as the person who may have triggered his previous it was the quality of the conversation and of ideas forming that i thought might be interesting to capture though - i repeat, contrite - i will not parade them without author's permission the language of Info Tech is often noteworthy, interesting probably often illuminating capture when you send print to a printer it is captured by the print queue which is not the point i was going to make but is closely related that we should remember that not only is our human space being altered by such developments as email - re the derrida quote - but is being captured / invaded / taken in the last 48 hrs i have heard of the unseemly alliance of the Home Secretary and the Last Straw to probably permit the police to bug us AND developments in robotics and flying machines based on bugs AND developments in micro machines AND developments in coding using DNA as a carrier so that the backing store of all the computers in the world can be pinned to the next generation of microprocessors and that's only via Radio 4 just as there ain't no wilderness / garden so there ain't no privacy only greater or lesser degrees of overhearing and this in a country where the RITE to remain silent has been compromised this is major factor in our work I believe L PS and also - Ken - I am glad someone said that about Aidan Dun %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%