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Dear François and all, Three short comment and I shall shut up on this issue. It’s obvious that this list does not want to talk about money and the costs of design. It is also obvious, though unstated, that one of the most persistent preoccupations of phd supervisors and students is MONEY—not necessarily as an end in itself—but as a means to the many ends that lead to a phd: publications, departmental reputation, etc. Less obvious, but of great importance to practicing designers, is the historical rise in the cost of design services as each generation of design gurus inspire us to take on broader and fuller conceptions of our crafts: social responsibilities towards a growing body of people ands cultures, environmental responsibility to the planet, Design 1,2, 3, 4 etc. The absence of serious, critical, and well considered thinking about MONEY and the cost of projects is conspicuous. Perhaps, after all, it grows on trees. David > On 4 Nov 2023, at 4:42 pm, Francois Nsenga <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear David and all > > When you remind us about "costs and outcomes", I hope you don't mean this > only in currently dominant monetary reference. > > We all agree there are other than money evaluation criteria for artefacts, > equally important even more appropriate in human living arrangements > perspective. These too deserve our attention as experts in artefacts > conception. > > My two cents! > > > From northern Rwanda countryside > > > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 5:43 AM David Sless <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi Erick and all, >> >> There is much of value in this list off publications, and adding to this >> list and pointing to gaps and missed cultures—genders etc—undoubtedly adds >> to our collective stock of insights and possibilities. But it stops short >> of a coherent set of validated, tested, reliable and, most importantly, >> reproducible methods, that lead to valued outcomes that are teachable to >> the next generation of designers. >> >> Apart from the above, there is a huge hole where time and money are not >> mentioned. For example: what are the costs of applying Design Thinking, >> Prototyping, and testings?. What about the costs of other methods. How do >> you evaluate these costs against outcomes? How long does it take for a >> designed artefact, process or system to begin deteriorating, and how do >> find out that this is happening, and of course, what are the costs of >> fixing some, or doing something else? >> >> Pointing to the none-predictable nature of design creativity is an excuse, >> not an answer. >> >> David >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> >> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design >> Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------