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You may have the moral high ground but I wouldn't hire you as my lawyer !!

Law is not synonymous with 'justice' - and anyway, tp paraphrase Pilate, 'What is Justice?'. Of cpourse that depends on our morals, priorities, politics etc etc etc.

Bottrom line, we may feel that AI harvesting is not just, but it may well be perfectly legal under copyright law. And if we try and change that, we are on a slippery slope re, as said, visiting an art gallery, or pretty much anywhere, for artictic inspiration and then producing our own works based on that inspiration. Not just visual art but music, architecture, writing, inventions even.....

To do some more paraphrasing. 'If I have painted better it is by painting on the shoulders of giants'.

Dr Hillary J Shaw
Centre for Urban Research on Austerity
Faculty of Business and Law
De Montfort University, Leicester
LE1 9BH
www.fooddeserts.org



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Sent: Mon, 15 May 2023 10:28
Subject: Re: AI Open Letter - The Center for Artistic Inquiry and Reporting

Hi All,
of course it's daylight robbery (but don't these people  who claim not to exist prefer it in the dark).
They think it clever indeed to avoid decency. 

As an exhibiting artist, as well as Geography and culture Emeritus Professor - what a great cast of those who have signed so far. 
AI stinks wherever its murky head dares to surface. 
kick it out!
all good wishes to all those singed in.
Best, David



On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 8:28 AM Hillary Shaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
AI is indeed sinister but is this breach of copyright? If I go to an art gallery and look at various artist's works, for sale, and get ideas from all i've seen and go and paint my own images based on that inspiration, isn't that perfectly legal?

Or does the sheer massive scale of this AI 'art gallery perusal' malke it somehow legally different?

Supporting Suchith's argument, there is a sinister AI possibility in music composition - that an AI program,me could churn out eveyr conceivable melody that hasn;t yet been composed and then 'copyright' all of that - now, an end to the composing profesion. Hopefully the (still-human, for now) Judges would see through that and refuse copyright here.

Dr Hillary J Shaw
Centre for Urban Research on Austerity
Faculty of Business and Law
De Montfort University, Leicester
LE1 9BH
www.fooddeserts.org



-----Original Message-----
From: Suchith Anand <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Mon, 15 May 2023 8:18
Subject: AI Open Letter - The Center for Artistic Inquiry and Reporting

Dear colleagues,

This Open Letter from the Center for Artistic Inquiry and Reporting (CAIR) might be of interest.  

“AI-art generators are trained on enormous datasets, containing millions upon millions of copyrighted images, harvested without their creator’s knowledge, let alone compensation or consent. This is effectively the greatest art heist in history. Perpetrated by respectable-seeming corporate entities backed by Silicon Valley venture capital. It’s daylight robbery.”



Best wishes

Suchith


Dr Suchith Anand
Senior Adviser to Governments and International Organisations | Scientist | Board member | Governance | Policy | Consultant in Data Science and Data Ethics | Global Citizen | SDG Volunteer and Advocate


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