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Good questions Lucia - and Im not sure of the best way forward - others may be able to advise? ________________________________ From: Lucia Rocca <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:54 PM To: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. <[log in to unmask]>; Soo Downe <School of Community Health & Midwifery> <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: No midwife on UK NMC council? Hi Sooand everyone, is a petition the right way of operating? what would it achieve? I am not sure the pubic or even many midwives understand the implications of this....so I am worried that asking for large numbers to sign a petition might not be effective... I would like to know what the steps are in order to achieve 'independence' and the implications. Dr Lucia Rocca-Ihenacho PhD, MSc, RM Lecturer in Midwifery and NIHR Research Fellow Centre for Maternal and Child Health Research School of Health Sciences City University London 1 Myddelton Street London EC1R 1UW 07989 230313 Skype contact: luciainsky On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 11:52, Soo Downe <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: If this is indeed the case, it absolutely needs to be lobbied on by all concerned in as many fora as possible. I agree with Billie, the legislation should say very clearly that the Council is not quorate and cannot proceed without at least one midwife on it (and, in fact, if this is a council of two professions, both should be represented with equal numbers of members - so half the membership should be midwives). Is anyone up for starting an on-line petition on this, for both the RCM and the NMC to take action? Best wishes Soo ________________________________ From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Johanne Dagustun <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:55 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: No midwife on NMC council Hi all, Thanks to the RCM for alerting us to this. Here's the NMC statement on the new appointments, which sees the (delayed) departure of the current midwife Council Member in the Autumn: https://www.nmc.org.uk/news/news-and-updates/nmc-council-appointments-2020/ Good questions, Billy. I have a few more. Do we have any 'NMC watchers' amongst us who can tell us how unusual the current situation is, ie of a retiring midwife Council Member not being replaced? And since when has there been no requirement for the Council to include a midwife? Given that other Council members are up for replacement in Spring 2021, is the half-year absence of a midwife on the Council a huge problem, or is it better to focus efforts on (a) understanding why it might not always be possible for a midwife to take up one of the 6 places for professionals on the Council, and (b) how the profession might ensure that there are good candidates put forward for the role in 2021? Jo Dagustun Volunteer, AIMS ________________________________ From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Billie Hunter <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: 14 May 2020 09:44 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: No midwife on NMC council Hi all My understanding is that the position for a midwife on NMC council was advertised several months ago. I’m not sure whether there were no applicants or NMC wasn’t able to appoint. To me the key issue is that NMC council should not be able to be quorate without representation from both professions - I can’t imagine council convening with representation from nursing! Whilst I am in support of separate regulation for midwifery, that feels like a long battle given previous history - perhaps lobbying energies should be focused on the representation issue? All the best Billie Billie Hunter, RCM Professor of Midwifery & Director, WHO Collaborating Centre for Midwifery Development, School of Healthcare Sciences, Cardiff University. PLEASE NOTE THAT I AM NOW WORKING PART TIME ( 2.5 days a week), SO THERE MAY BE A DELAY IN MY REPLY. THANK YOU Sent from my iPhone - apologies for any typos On 14 May 2020, at 09:04, McCourt, Christine <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Midwives – I think you have to stand up to this – a petition isn’t adequate - it is fundamental. <image001.png> Dr Christine McCourt Professor of Maternal Health, Centre Lead, Centre for Maternal & Child Health Research School of Health Sciences City, University of London 1 Myddelton Street, London EC1R 1UB T: +44 (0)20 7040 5863 M: +44 (0)7912 351476 www.city.ac.uk<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city.ac.uk%2F&data=02%7C01%7CHunterB1%40CARDIFF.AC.UK%7C2690708a03d3427da18308d7f7dd7a23%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1%7C0%7C637250402921988655&sdata=Q5krRQEpm3OQgXubdne%2FrdMRQ3ipKLnzDZpE1HiKm2I%3D&reserved=0> From: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of "Sandall, Jane" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply to: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>, "Sandall, Jane" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Thursday, 14 May 2020 at 08:37 To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: No midwife on NMC council CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and believe the content to be safe. There has been an argument for years for midwives to be regulated separately under the HPC along with physiotherapists etc. I’m afraid lost control is the word here, not losing. Does not encourage trust in regulation or public safety. Jane Sandall From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Tina Harris Sent: 14 May 2020 08:22 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: No midwife on NMC council We need a petition to send to the NMC and their regulator. Sent from my iPhone On 13 May 2020, at 23:49, Jenny Hall <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: This message was sent from outside of DMU. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the source of this email and know the content is safe. Dear colleagues It appears that in the international year of the nurse and the midwife the UK regulatory body will no longer have a midwife on its council. https://www.rcm.org.uk/news-views/news/2020/may/rcm-calls-for-change-to-law-after-no-midwife-appointed-to-nmc-council/#.Xrw3lfHrNV4.twitter<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcm.org.uk%2Fnews-views%2Fnews%2F2020%2Fmay%2Frcm-calls-for-change-to-law-after-no-midwife-appointed-to-nmc-council%2F%23.Xrw3lfHrNV4.twitter&data=02%7C01%7CHunterB1%40CARDIFF.AC.UK%7C2690708a03d3427da18308d7f7dd7a23%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1%7C0%7C637250402921998648&sdata=AFvyTCEphfx5CrWn9xMAVjW0Sp7LiIqivcUTWmmkbZw%3D&reserved=0> This is clearly unacceptable. If any on here know what is going on it would be helpful to know. We are clearly losing control of our regulation. Concerned, Jenny. 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