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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Here are a couple more references: Caroll Stuhlmueller, “ ‘Would that all were prophets”, in Holmgren and Schaalman, eds., Preaching Biblical Texts: Expositions by Jewish and Christian Scholars (Grand Rapids: Eerdman, 1996): 123-143. Albert-Marie Denis, Introduction aux Pseudépigraphes Grecs d’ancien Testament, Studia in Veteris Testamenti Pseudepigraphia 1 (Leiden: Brill, 1970), pp. 142-145. Bill S. From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Vadim Prozorov Sent: May 24, 2020 6:04 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Book of Eldad and Modad'/Shepherd of Hermas medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture See Richard Bauckham’s chapter in Old Testament Pseudepigrapha: More Noncanonical Scriptures, Vol. 1 2013. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Schipper, William <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:53:54 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Book of Eldad and Modad'/Shepherd of Hermas medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Here are some articles I culled from “Old Testament Abstracts.” Ahuviah, Avraham, “Moses said to him: haměquannē’ ’attâ lî? (Numbers 11)”, Beit Mikra 34 (1988-89): 231-235. Dion, Paul E. “La RWḤ dans l'Heptateuque: La protestation pour la liberté du prophétisme en Nb 11, 26-29,” Science et esprit 42 (1990): 167-191. Böhl, Felix. “Demut und Prophetie: Eldad und Medad nach der frühen rabbinischen Überlieferung,” in Ich bewirke das Heil und erschaffe das Unheil (Jesaja 45,7): Studien zur Botschaft der Propheten : Festschrift für Lothar Ruppert zum 65. Geburtstag Ruppert (Würzburg: Echter, 1998), pp. 15-29. Wiesel, Elie, “Eldad and Medad,“ Bible Review 15:2 (1999): 18-19. Livni, Michael, “The Parable of Jotham : The Question of Authority in Judaism,” Jewish Bible Quarterly 30 (2002): 247-252. Blumenthal, Fred, “Eldad and Medad,” Jewish Bible Quarterly 36 (2008): 88-92. Artus, Olivier, “Gouverner et parler au nom de Dieu : La question du pouvoir in NB 11-12,” Revue biblique 124 (2017): 26-37. In three languages, but who’s counting! There are probably more out there. Bill Schipper From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Gordon Plumb Sent: May 23, 2020 11:34 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Book of Eldad and Modad'/Shepherd of Hermas medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture On the Book of Eldad & Modad (or Medad) see: "The Lost Apocrypha of the Old Testament: their Titles and Fragments", Collected, Translated and Discussed by Montague Rhodes James. London, SPCK, 1920, pp. 38-40. James suggests it was a short book of 400 lines, the only certain fragment of which is in Hermas. He summarises what the Midrashim and Targums say about the two - including the fact that they were half-brothers of Moses. In Numbers 11 when Moses took the seventy elders to meet the Lord and they prophesied, Eldad and Medad remained in the camp but the spirit also came upon them and they prophesied. Bishop Lightfoot suggested that a passage in I Clement. may be from the Book of Eldad and Medad, but M R James gives good reasons why that is unlikely (The passage in I Clement resembles 2 Peter, iii.4 etc, as James points out. Gordon Plumb -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Izbicki <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:35 Subject: Re: [M-R] 'Book of Eldad and Modad'/Shepherd of Hermas medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture A quick search of the Patrologia Latina Database showed 15 references to Medad, mostly in Jerome & texts attributed to him. Also Isidore of Sevile, Ruper of Deutz & Petrus Comestor. Place to starr. Tom Izbicki ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Graham Jones <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:41 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: [M-R] 'Book of Eldad and Modad'/Shepherd of Hermas medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear List Members Can some kind colleague(s) point me, please, in the direction of current or recent work on the Shepherd of Hermas, and more specifically (though this may be a long shot) on the now lost 'Book of Eldad and Modad' which is the only actual book mentioned by the author. Thanks to search engines I'm aware that Jewish writers down the centuries were, and continue to be interested in the OT characters Eldad and Medad and their appearance in Numbers 11. I'm also keen to know if the same was true of Christian writers, and if so, what discourse there may have been on the topic between writers in the two traditions. Kind regards to all from lockdown Oxford, where we now breathe clean air, walk clean streets, and hear birdsong, at the expense of young people's education and job prospects. Graham ********************************************************* Dr Graham Jones FSA FRHistS FRGS Oxford University School of Geography and the Environment ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion