Hi,
You’re absolutely right Richard.
This may or may not not be right for most museums, but could be very valuable in other environments.
We’ve done some digging, we’re lucky enough to have an R&D specialist in racing car telematics and sensors who works with us. I’ll share his conclusions with you:
Hi Dave,
To be honest I've looked at several different distance range detecting methods, you can’t use a distance sensor...needs to be something non-contact, omni directional.
Typical, there are sensible solutions for very short distances (less than 10cm) and Long distances (over 100m) but short distances around 1-5m look particularly tricky.
Best guess are currently bluetooth or RFID reciever/transmitters that measure the received signal strength... but this is notoriously inaccurate as everything around them either attenuates or amplifies the damn signal.
Anyway..im sure there is a method out there..just not found it yet and its need to be simple from a unit cost and time to develop point of view. Such a simple idea yet surprisingly tricky, I guess most people are working on phone Apps that do something clever
based on proximity or position...
J.
Dont know what actual availability will be like on such devices but sure is easier, quicker and cheaper than developing something from scratch... the Proxxi Halo is expected to be around $100 each but min order qty of 100.
but TBH you could never develop something for $100 a unit!
https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/wearables-safety-covid19-fitbit-proxxi-esimote-a4427116.html
There might still be a niche market for one that swears in Gaelic though!
Kind regards,
Dave.
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Hello,
Whilst in the main, I agree with the common sense approach, I think it also helps to consider beyond ourselves, not rush to scoff, to think of those people who may benefit from a tech solution. Visitors with certain disabilities or young children for example, might find this solution very helpful. With two young children myself, I appreciate just how difficult it is for them to continue to remember to keep their distances.
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Richard
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I’m with Linda.
This is IMO clearly a thing which doesn’t need the sledgehammer of a technical solution which no-one will use. It’s like the semantic web all over again :-) [NO, let’s not start that…]
Either
1) rely on people being sensible
or
2) buy some hats you hand out to visitors with KEEP YER DISTANCE, FOOLS* printed on them
Cheaper, easier, more resilient, not reliant on some over complex tech and you’ll probably get some press buzz out of it too.
Oh, and less irritating than chihuahuas, too
bye
Mike
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On 14 May 2020, 09:01 +0100, Rob Mason <[log in to unmask]>, wrote:
Hey gang,
Estimote, who built really good bluetooth beacons amongst other things, have released something that might fit the bill: https://estimote.com/wearable/. This seems to fit the original use case.
Thanks
Rob
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On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 08:56, David Slater <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hello,
We’re looking into the feasibility of making such a product, but the big question is cost. I would very much welcome responses from the whole group how much they would pay for such a thing, bearing in mind you’d need one per visitor. Or if indeed, as Linda put so well, we’re better off relying on what nature gave us for free and a few dirty looks for enforcement?
Do we need a Scottish version that ‘swears loudly in vernacular Gaelic’ and an English version that goes ‘tut’?
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Dave.
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From: Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Bob Clark
Sent: 13 May 2020 21:39
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Subject: [MCG] Proximity Detectors for People
Hello all
We have a large museum site, mostly open-air but including a number of essentially domestic-scale buildings with quite small internal spaces. When the museum is open, visitors are self-guided and self-managing: unless they happen to be in an area where conservation or other work is in progress, they may not even see a member of staff at any time during their visit. As we start to think towards reopening in the not-quite-post Covid world, a major concern for us is how we maintain Distancing in an environment where - unlike the situation in Tesco – there is no-one present to enforce it.
We have wondered if it would be possible to issue visitors with a small, carry-in-the-pocket, device which, if it came closer than a predetermined distance from any other such device, would sound an alarm (or maybe swear loudly in vernacular Gaelic?). Does such a thing exist?
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