Hello,
A big question for me, is whether this route would be Plan S compliant. A CC-BY licence is the requirement. No quibble: this is the choice of the author and the funder, not the journal.
While I like the idea of paying less overall for publication fee, it also raises a particular issue...
What are the peer review costs? My understanding is that peer reviewers are in non paid positions, and that peer review is a mechanism intended to ensure independence and integrity of selection (although reviewers may be recognised in other ways), and ensure that it stands outside of the journal and editorial process and control.
In the early days of Pre-prints and Post prints (late 90s-mid 2000s), this was implicitly recognised in the post print definition. A post print included all peer review and galley proofs, short of editorial input. The peer review and editorial processes were distinct, the first was not owned by the publisher, the second was. The author had a stronger claim on copyright, because the manuscript up to that point was not publisher property, and could still be resubmitted to another publisher if rejected. The author would gain the benefit of peer review feedback. This was an enabler for self deposit, even if under an embargo. The definition of author accepted manuscript now seems to have taken over and subsumed the idea of the post print, and extended the definition to cover the versions with editorial input and revision. This places a claim of publisher copyright more strongly on the manuscript, encompassing the gap between the pre-print and the version of record, including the peer review process.
By bringing the peer review process firmly into the publisher's ownership, the EPC charge seems to assert the publisher copyright even more strongly over the earlier versions of the manuscript.
This may be a concern for those of us who still believe in green OA deposit.
Best wishes,
Jason
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Dear Patricia,
Further to your comments below, I'd like to direct you to some information about the EPC regarding copyright and other questions you might have about this experimental way of providing Gold Open Access for researchers at a more reasonable cost.
You'll not that in these new journals a creative commons license is used, see copied text below.
https://www.journals.elsevier.com/european-economic-review-plus/frequently-asked-questions/frequently-asked-questions-epc
How will my work be published?
Your manuscript will be published under a Creative Commons license and will be made freely and immediately available for anyone to access and read via ScienceDirect. Conditions on the reuse of your work will depend on the license under which you choose to publish.
For gold open access articles, permitted third party (re)use is defined by the following Creative Commons user licenses:
Also I'd like to make it clear that Editors make decisions on papers independently of the Publisher and based on the nature and merits of the article. The Publisher in this case has no influence on whether a paper is accepted or not.
Kind regards
Rupal
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What a cheek! In my ignorance, I thought the subscription fee was supposed to cover peer review, admin, etc.
Essentially, the publishers are saying, "You pay to let us look at your article and if we like it we'll take the copyright & make money out of it!"
So what's in it for the author? Kudos?
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Hello all
At University of Portsmouth Library we have recently had a number of queries from academics about journal submission fees - not APC payments, but fees just to submit their papers and have them peer reviewed. Does anyone know if there is an online list of journal which charge these fees, either as a whole or publisher specific? I hadn't heard of these fees before, and so far we have only identified a few journal titles which charge this (mostly Elsevier titles so far), but we have been asked if it is possible to provide details of which journals will ask for submission fees, to go alongside the page on our website outlining our current APC offers and deals.
Thank you in advance
Hannah
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