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Dear Elçin, Thank you so much for this most useful piece. As usual, our LIST managed to come up with unexpected information on an apparently anecdotic issue….. Cheers, Arturo De: Elçin Ekşi <[log in to unmask]> Enviado el: domingo, 23 de febrero de 2020 13:08 Para: [log in to unmask] CC: [log in to unmask] Asunto: Re: [ZOOARCH] Swordfish in Mediterranean Sea Dear Brian and Arturo, Actually these thesis is not directly study Mediterranean populations and size of specimens. However it is working on modern The East Mediterranean samples and ancient sword fish samples from The Marmara Yenikapı (İstanbul) excavations. I hope it maybe help. Yüncü, E. (2017). Genetic structure of modern and ancient swordfish populations from coasts of Turkey (Doctoral dissertation, MIDDLE EAST TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY). http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12621267/index.pdf Best regards. Elçin <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > adresine sahip kullanıcı 17 Şub 2020 Pzt, 17:41 tarihinde şunu yazdı: Thanks, Christian!!! De: Brian MacKenzie <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Enviado el: lunes, 17 de febrero de 2020 15:39 Para: Knochenarbeit <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >; Arturo Morales <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > CC: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Asunto: Re: [ZOOARCH] Swordfish in Mediterranean Sea Dear Arturo, Christian Many thanks for your help and these references! These look very relevant. I will look for them later today. Best regards Brian _____ From: Knochenarbeit <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: February 17, 2020 3:35:32 PM To: Arturo Morales; Brian MacKenzie Cc: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] Swordfish in Mediterranean Sea Dear Brian and Arturo, I am not sure if it fits completely, but these three papers maybe of interest for Brian's question. Best Christian # Collett, Serge (1987): La croix et la part – Rituel de mort et rituel de partition dans la chasse à l'Espadon. – Anthropozoologica special 1, 39-44 # Poplin, Cécile / Poplin, Francois / de Ricqlès, Armand (1976): Quelques particulariés anatomiques et histologiques du rostre de l'Espadon (Xiphias gladius L.). – Comptes Rendus de l'Académie des Sciences Serié D 282, 1105-1108 # Poplin, Francois (1975): Restes de rostre d'Espadon troués dan un gisement néolithique del'étang de Leucate (Aude). – Bulletin de la Société préhistorique française 72, 27-32 -- Knochenarbeit Hans Christian Küchelmann Speicherhof 4, D-28217 Bremen, Germany tel: +49 - 421 - 61 99 177 mail: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> web: http://www.knochenarbeit.de > Am 17.02.2020 um 15:20 schrieb [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> : > > Dear Brian, > There are very few archaeological finds of swordfish in the Ancient > Mediterranean and, to my acquaintance, none from post-Roman times. I also do > not think there is anything published on the size of swordfish > -archaeological or not- in the historical literature, although I suspect > that papers on fisheries must have data on size for certain areas. > As far as I know, swordfish is an open water, migratory species thus, > although one may speak about "stocks" in terms of fishing, I suspect there > must exist a lot of introgression among stocks so that speaking about > "populations" might be a bit misleading. > But the truth is that I just don't know. > It is for this reason that I'm ccying my reply to the ZOOARCH mailing list, > a wonderful group of scholars knowledgeable in just about anything that > relates to animals, who may supply further feedback on the subject. > > Greetings, > > Arturo > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Brian MacKenzie <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > Enviado el: sábado, 15 de febrero de 2020 17:54 > Para: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Asunto: Swordfish in Mediterranean Sea > > > Dear Dr. Morales, > > I have received your name and email address from a colleague, Tønnes > Bekker-Nielsen. I am looking for some historical information about sizes of > swordfish caught in the Mediterranean Sea, and had asked Tønnes about it. > He suggested I contact you as you might have some papers or observations > about this. > > I have noticed that the Mediterranean swordfish is smaller and reaches > smaller maximum sizes than those from the Atlantic. This is based on > "contemporary" data, e. G., from the last 2-3 decades or so. I am > wondering how large swordfish were in the Mediterranean anytime before the > 1900s and if the sizes caught have declined. > > Would you have any findings about this, based on your arcaheological or > other studies? If you have any information or papers that contain size > information, I would be pleased if you could send me pdf versions of papers > or links to them. > > I thank you in advance for any assistance you might be able to provide. > > Sincerely, > Brian MacKenzie > > > > Prof. Brian R. MacKenzie > > National Institute for Aquatic Resources (DTU Aqua) > > Technical University of Denmark > > DK 2800 Lyngby, Denmark > > > > Tel. +45-35.88.34.45 > > Mob. +45-21.31.58.14 > > Email: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH <https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1> &A=1 _____ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH <https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1> &A=1 -- M.S. 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