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Hear hear. I’ve been in tears before after some replies. I can’t say the ‘challenging’ emails that made me cry really helped me to effectively sit with my discomfort and make better choices. They just made me feel small and wish I hadn’t asked for help in the first place. That’s not a constructive outcome. It’s true that this isn’t as bad as being excluded on a daily basis, but it doesn’t help prevent that, in fact it might make it more likely as people who want to help stop engaging for fear of getting it wrong. Trudie Cole Head of Programming and Visitor Engagement T: 02392 891370Ext: 2112 W: www.nmrn.org.uk Celebrating 10 years. From headline-stealing conservation projects to saving key ships, boats, aircraft and artefacts to blockbuster exhibitions and landmark donations, The National Museum of the Royal Navy has made a huge impact on naval heritage in a very short time. Read more about our achievements Our email disclaimer is online. From: List for discussion of issues in museum education in the UK. <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Diane Saxon Sent: 10 February 2020 16:08 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: GEM job ad: Learning & Engagement Officer - Thackray Medical Museum I have felt the same in the past, Emily. I agree, let’s be supportive even if we have concerns. Diane Diane Saxon Access and Learning Manager Harrogate Museums & Arts Harrogate Borough Council Mercer Art Gallery, Swan Road HARROGATE HG1 2SA Tel: 01423 556188 or 500600 ext 58534 Working days: Monday to Wednesday From: List for discussion of issues in museum education in the UK. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nelson, Emily Sent: 10 February 2020 15:56 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: GEM job ad: Learning & Engagement Officer - Thackray Medical Museum Hello everyone, We all work in this industry, and in learning, because we care about people’s access to great inspiring experiences, places and opportunities. This GEM Jiscmail is supposed to be a supportive platform. Instead, it often is used in a very public and negative way that I don’t think is actually that far from bullying. Sometimes people get things wrong, or say the wrong thing, and it perhaps needs to be called out, but there’s no need for the whole GEM list to be copied in. As a note, I’ve been a member of this list for years, but I don’t dare post on it in case I end up at the centre of a negative pile-on. Last week, I did for the first time, and I was honestly scared of what responses I would get. I checked the wording of my email at least 5 times. Let’s all be nicer to each other! We do amazing jobs, and make a difference to people every day! 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It is a requirement not to be disabled. Thanks Dea Sent from my iPhone On 10 Feb 2020, at 14:58, Dea Birkett <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Presume this also means theses learning activities are designed so no wheelchair using adults or children can access them? What was the thinking behind designing an ‘Emergency Museum’ in this way? Out of interest, who stills funds non-inclusive activities? Most schools, for example, include wheelchair users. So is a school supposed to exclude any wheelchair users from this? Most schools would not agree to doing that. Just curious how you arrived at this point? Thanks so much for clarifying. Dea Sent from my iPhone On 10 Feb 2020, at 14:46, Liz Egan <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Thanks for responding. We have worked with our HR department and our access panel on this and unfortunately for this role- walking upstairs is an essential attribute. As stated, the Emergency Museum is a converted Ambulance. Its is not physically possible to access the vehicle, if you cannot climb up stairs and the EM visits many venues where we have to deliver activities in places that are not easily accessible- often places without ramps or lifts. The nature of this role is quite unique and as the galleries are currently closed, the successful candidate will be largely based on this vehicle until October. Once the galleries are opened, the nature of this role will change and reasonable adjustments will be able to be made. We are aware that this is an unusual requirement- one which we wouldn’t usually add to a Job Specification, but in this instance, it is physically not possible to do this role, without the level of fitness we suggested. Thanks again and I assure you we are doing everything we can to ensure Thackray is fully accessible and open to all when we reopen our doors. Liz From: Kristina Veasey <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: 10 February 2020 14:39 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>; Liz Egan <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: GEM job ad: Learning & Engagement Officer - Thackray Medical Museum If it is the sole or main purpose of the job, then that's perfectly fine. However, some people can get Access to Work support workers who could carry out the physical lifting parts, leaving them to carry out the main aspects of the role. For example, I have someone who drives for me and loads and unloads the heavy furniture for my art installation when I take it to galleries. Also, depending on what the actual job role is ie if its not purely a loading/unloading job, could a reasonable adjustment possibly be made so that the physical lifting parts are done by someone else? Best wishes Kristina Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Liz Egan wrote ---- Hi Dea Thanks for your email. A big part of this role involves carrying resources in and out of the Emergency Museum (a converted Ambulance) and visiting venues that do not always have level access. The Ambulance itself is not easily accessible and the resources can be large and heavy. For this reason, It was necessary to add this requirement to the personal specification for this role. This is an Objective Justification which takes into account the Health and Safety of the successful candidate. Hopefully that answers your question. Kind Regards Liz Liz Egan Learning Manager Thackray Medical Museum Beckett Street Leeds LS9 7LN 0113 2056522<tel:0113%202056522> Please note my working days are Monday, Tuesday and Thursday The museum galleries are temporarily closed for refurbishment! 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Find out more here<https://url4.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1j1Bbx-000559-5y&i=57e1b682&c=zR7n86QQ9eiHJvER097tb86yU0D36vnl3ckNx-9MJh2NOOgat-R6Rp7X5Tsy_i9MoXmzJA_GEe67hPhwkV-8sdqdvj1JEDFdT24X94H5nIxY5p1EQxHEvDZERyLnDmKua225fy9fQQeU9jLWP7Roz47h5x6iUNgdEmQQ514Gu1DWCMsGAQUfL4ZhK7lQBOxl-RQ30gQuD3UsloijCvMb-pE-jyOIMuuy_XF2Hj7MyK0DpA4t5KrFH165c2Lr6KcemRk-juUWh0sTWINFcTZMT7kaIv4BtnTgCkTiquxmxHE> ---- Original Message ---- Subject: Re: GEM job ad: Learning & Engagement Officer - Thackray Medical Museum Sent: 10 Feb 2020 13:26 From: Dea Birkett <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Cc: Is it legal to have as a requirement that must be able to ‘carry resources up stairs?’ Does that comply with DDA? Dea Birkett Sent from my iPhone On 10 Feb 2020, at 12:03, GEM Office <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: From GEM Office An advert for the following position has just been placed on the GEM website: Job Title Learning & Engagement Officer Organisation Thackray Medical Museum Location Yorkshire Salary £10 Per hour Type Part-time 25 hours per week. 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