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Nicholas, this is an interesting observation and one I would concur with. I cycle on a mixture of roads: national and local. I notice the difference in speed and passing clearance depending on where I am positioned on the road. The further out I sit the more space is given by the overtaking vehicle. This is something that an Irish politician called Ciaran Cannon (Minister of State for the Diaspora and International Development) has written about too. There is definitely something here with regard to road positioning and safety. Thanks, Ronan Gallagher Communications Officer North West Greenway Network Roads & Transportation Donegal County Council Tel.: +353 87 649 5537 www.nwgreenway.com Find us on social media From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Oddy, Nicholas Sent: Friday 10 January 2020 15:06 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Driver perception of cyclists on the road CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Donegal County Council. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and are sure that the content is safe. From a point of view of visibility, it might be worth looking at positioning  as much as colour or other technological factors. The further a cyclist is from the kerb the more likelihood is of the cyclist being noticed, as far as my observations (which are not scientific) show. The ‘metre out and metre clearance’ currently (but not clearly or universally) advised in the UK is a step in the right direction, but there is still a belief that it is wrong for a vehicle to impede the speed of another, and that roads should primarily allow the free passage of motor vehicles at, or very close to whatever the speed limit is. I know that driving ‘too slowly’ (a concept I find completely baffling) is still an issue in UK driving tests. Whatever, I find it much better when on a bicycle to take the centre of the lane and let broader vehicles pass when I decide it is safe for me and for them to do so. In all the years of no high vis, nothing more than a lamp, I have never experienced a time when I have not been noticed…quite the opposite in fact; until the universal 20 MPH limit was imposed in Edinburgh I had a remarkably vocal acknowledgement, often enhanced by the musical accompany of horns, of just how visible I was. The new limit has reduced this reaction, but the situation remains the same in terms of likelihood of being hit by a careless motorist. This experience would suggest that visibility is far more a construct of road culture, than it is one that can be technologically determined. Nicholas Oddy From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of FEB Sent: 10 January 2020 14:37 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Driver perception of cyclists on the road Dear Dennis, To add to Justin’s point. In assessing other factors why drivers do not see cyclists, it would be interesting to consider how car driver perception is impacted when drivers are informed of new legal requirements on drivers in the form of higher fines, points, or liability to different driving situations. Francis From: Cycling and Society Research Group discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Justin Spinney Sent: 10 January 2020 13:50 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Driver perception of cyclists on the road Dear Denis Sounds like an interesting piece of research. However, a concern I have with such a study is that it would potentially lend more weight to arguments that suggest that cyclists have a duty to dress up in bright colours to avoid being run over, when surely it is more the case that not being seen by drivers is a function of the speed, isolation and distraction designed into current vehicles and road layouts? It may help the case of cycling more to conduct research into these (and other) factors with regard to why drivers don't see cyclists and how the design of cars and roads could change to enhance driver attention? Good luck, Justin On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:13 AM Andrew Saffrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Salut Denis, I believe a very similar study was carried out by University of Bath in the UK: https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/cyclists-cannot-stop-drivers-overtaking-dangerously-research-study-suggests/ https://researchportal.bath.ac.uk/en/publications/the-influence-of-a-bicycle-commuters-appearance-on-drivers-overta This was obviously just UK drivers so it might be interesting to see how attitudes differ in other environments. 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