On Dec 4, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:So the question of fame, like so may other things, has to do more with the eye of the beholder. What would you be basing it on? The number of books sold? The list on the Times, London or NY? The language spoken and its pervasiveness? Whether they make it on the 6-feet of classics as determined in 1900? 1950? 2000? Etc. Etc.
Frankly, I find the basis of measurement so variable as to make the question irrelevant. And rather like those incredibly tedious questions splashed over social media as click-bait. And perhaps more frankly, who cares? And why do they care?
Here perhaps is something relevant to that discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNXL0SYJ2eU
Happy holidays, Jaime
On Dec 4, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
So Prynne and Bernstein seem to be among the greatest poets of the generation. Who can we add to that short list? Silliman? Peter? Just curious.
Adonis has been on Nobel list for more than 10 years. He is (since Mahmood Darwish death) by far the most famous & highly rated poet in the Arab world (though of course he also has strong detractors) and very highly rated in the rest of the world (he just came back from a reading tour in China). Bernstein ( — full disclosure — a good friend — we’ll be in London at Kings for gigs to celebrate Eric Mottram this Friday & Saturday — do come!) is very well-known (more so then Prynne at this point, I’d suggest, which fact is not based on any comparison of the value of their work), but not (yet) as well as Adonis (who also happens to have 20 years on Charles). Full disclosure: Adonis is a good friend too, & one of my latest books is a conversation with him on matters reaching from our shared opposition to all monotheisms to matters of contemporary poetics. To check out that book, go to:
<pastedGraphic.png>Conversations in the Pyrenees
Pierre
—————————————————————————————Pierre JorisNomadics blog: http://pierrejoris.com/blog/—————————————————————————————The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan—————————————————————————————Forthcoming translations of Paul Celan: Microliths (Posthumous prose) from CMP;Memory Rose into Threshold Speech: The Collected Earlier Poetry from FSG.
On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:16 AM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I did not know Adonis was so well known
> Prynne and Bernstein have formidable reputations.
I think it'd helpful to emphasize how different their influences were / are, but I don't know enough about either. I would guess it reflects different societies -- Bernstein seems more trend setting and less the elder statesman
Luke
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