Cytuno efo Geraint, mae'r ddau awgrym yna'n gweithio'n dda yn fy marn i.OsianDwi ddim yn meddwl y byddai 'pregethu' yn cyfleu'r ymadrodd o gwbwl. Slang ydi 'preach' - fedra i ddim dychmygu neb yn dweud 'pregethu' yn y cyd-destun yma. Fysa 'Gwir' yn well? Neu 'Ti wedodd hi' math o beth...
Ar 03/10/2019 11:36, ysgrifennodd Gareth Jones:
Diolch am yr ymatebion, defnyddiol iawn. Wnes i ddim meddwl am yr ymadrodd ‘preach to the converted’, ond dwi’n gweld rwan mai dyna sydd dan sylw. Mae’r siaradwr felly yn defnyddio ymadrodd sy’n cyfeirio at rhywbeth di-fudd mewn modd cadarnhaol. Dwi’n meddwl y gwna’i awgrymu defnyddio’r gair ‘pregethu’ (dydy goslef y llais ddim yn awgrymu’r ffurf orchmynnol ‘pregethwch’).
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Origin - the full story
'Preaching to the choir' (also sometimes spelled quire) is of US origin. It clearly refers to the pointlessness of a preacher attempting to convert those who, by their presence in church, have already demonstrated their faith. The first reference we can find is from 1973. Many other references date from soon after that, which points to the phrase being coined in that year; for example, this from The Lima News, Ohio, January 1973:
"He said he felt like the minister who was preaching to the choir. That is, to the people who always come to church, but not the ones who need it most."
The phrase may not be old but it does express the same idea as an earlier phrase - 'preaching to the converted', and is almost certainly a follow-on from that. This dates back around a century further and is first cited in a letter to The Times in November 1857:
It is an old saying that to preach to the converted is a useless office, and I may add that to preach to the unconvertible is a thankless office.
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Pwnc: (All_Ext) - Re: Preach/preach to the choir
Erioed wedi clywed "preaching to the choir", ond mae "preaching to the converted" a "pregethu i'r cadwedig" yn gyfarwydd.
Ann
On 03/10/2019 11:18, Gareth Jones wrote:
Fideo fer yn trafod bwlio ydy’r cyd-destun.
Yn y fideo, mae nifer o bobl ifanc yn gwneud sylwadau amrywiol am fwlio, ac mae rhai o’r geiriau sy’n cael eu dweud gan y bobl Ifanc yn ymddangos ar y sgrin ar yr un pryd.
Mae un bachgen yn dweud ‘Preach’ ac mae’r gair yn ymddangos ar yr sgrin.
Dwi wedi holi’r cleient i weld beth yn union sydd ganddo dan sylw (doeddwn i ddim yn glir beth oedd ergyd y gair), a dyma’r ymateb:
The use of the word ‘preach’ is used in a colloquial and positive sense of ‘preaching to the choir’ in the sense that you are hearing something that we already know and agree with.
Sut fyddai ‘preach’ yn cael ei gyfleu yn y cyd-destun hwn os gwelwch yn dda?
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