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Thanks Rosemary! My translation was referring to ALL priests as masters, which obviously was not the case!
Meg
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Post medieval but the first example of 'Sir' that springs to mind is in Twelfth Night.
Certainly in the ecclesiastical documents priests are referred to as 'dominus' unless they are graduates, in which case they are 'magister'
Rosemary Hayes
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On 14 Sep 2019, at 08:32, Gordon Plumb <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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"Sir" was indeed the usual way of addressing or refering to a priest in the Middle Ages. Many, many examples can easily be found.
Gordon Plumb
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I think the short answer is "Sir" and equivalents. Even still in Italy, religious priests are called "Padre So-and-so" and diocesan priests "Don So-and-so", the equivalent of "Sir". From memory (sorry, I'm not near books) the use of Padre/Father began with the Capuchins (so post-16th century) and spread to other religious-order priests and only quite late, as you say, also to diocesan clergy. There's an article by David Holmes which might be of interest, though it is from a contemporary Protestant, not a medieval Catholic, perspective; there are a couple of further bibliographical indications:
https://www.religion-online.org/article/are-mother-and-father-appropriate-titles-for-protestant-clergy/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.religion-online.org%2Farticle%2Fare-mother-and-father-appropriate-titles-for-protestant-clergy%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccormackm%40COFC.EDU%7C393188c260ee4374a84108d738e1a361%7Ce285d438dbba4a4c941c593ba422deac%7C0%7C0%7C637040414082073500&sdata=80PNnnvVZdylz34fgWo3a0%2FVcGZIskQqar8Yw%2Bcj8t8%3D&reserved=0> -- Paul
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 03:35, Kurt Sherry <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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I would think that finding the manner of address would have to appear in literary sources because you'd need samples of dialogue. What I have noticed is that when a priest is referred to in third person, he's usually referred to as "the priest So-and-so" or "Such-and-such the priest." My impression from the Byzantine sources (and I can't think of anything specific off the top of my head aside from the Desert Fathers) is that the direct address would be "Father;" for a bishop it is, "Master."
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Greetings all,
How were priests addressed in the Middle Ages? I believe the Icelandic 'sera' comes from English (sira?) but today this is associate with knights, not priests. The best I could come up with was 'the Reverend' which is a bit clumsy, but may have to work. 'Father', it was pointed out to me, is 19th century. Any suggetions?
All the best,
Meg
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